Jon benet Ramsey, Netflix.

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I've just watched this documentary and I feel so sad for that little girl and her family 😔

There are so many questions and why's like how on earth did the police miss her body when they searched the home, why was none of the family and friend's DNA taken. Why was the house not on lockdown considering it's a crime scene. I feel awful for the parents being blamed for it too. Detective Lou Smit found more evidence of an intruder than the boulder police did! Then you have that Peadophile guy who got in contact with them and admitted everything to that Michael guy through email and through the phones calls, how were these being ignored? It seems as though the boulder police force were extremely incompetent and so fixated on blaming the parents they missed a lot of credible evidence!

The handwriting matched PR’s and the rest of the pad was found in the house with practice note impressions. Would an intruder really waste so much time writing such a lengthy ransom note in the house?

I don't know, that's why I was asking because I couldn't remember anything about the note.

It’s incredibly sad. Something else I watched, a profiler suggested that if a body was hidden there is more likely to be a connection of some sort between victim and perpetrator. A random unconnected perpetrator isn’t going to waste time and hang around because why would they? In this case the writing of the note in the house suggests time taken that a random perpetrator would not risk, or have any need to risk. But then JonBenet was not very well hidden so that doesn’t make much sense either. I don’t suppose anyone will ever know the truth unless someone credible confesses and the police certainly screwed it all up.

I mean why didn’t they stop him -I thought she was strangled? Starting to think I’m confusing her with someone else I’ve seen the doc of otherwise!

The autopsy couldn't say whether she died from the blow to the head or from strangulation.
Both happened to her but it's not sure what the final cause was. The garrotte was also a very well made one, by someone who knew what they were doing.
That and the sexual abuse, makes me think no way was it the 8 year old brother.

The Netflix programme was quite pro parents, which considering the father was interviewed in it, was always going to be.

I did wonder if it was someone the parents knew who was abusing her (not the little boy) and they covered up for him. Very strange they allowed her to be so publicly sexualised (but I find the whole child beauty pageant thing disturbing).

Can anyone confirm the timings for a worse scenario? Child found bludgeoned and thought to be dead so cover-up including garotte applied, but child may have still been alive before being suffocated? You choose to save one of your children, but in so doing, could have been the actual cause of death of the other? Haven't looked at the case in a long time but pray whoever did what, that she wasn't savable from the head wound, had they just called 911 straight off.

It’s called “a normal family”

and to the poster who said they were a almornal, loving family, this podcast details some strange things that patsy did, regarding the fact Jon benet used to wet and soil herself, she has a temper on her.

however, so do I, and I’d never harm my children. So who knows…. 🤷‍♀️

An 8yo is easily capable of crushing the skull of a 5yo.

I don't think we will ever know unless Burke confesses and he's never going to do that.

It was an inside job but an accident I'm sure. It was handled so badly by them as a family though. Lunacy must have taken over in those small hours.

What about the garotte fashioned out of a paintbrush though? An eight year old isn’t coming up with that.

@FanofLeaves I watched a documentary a few years ago with a panel of experts; only available here now, not sure it is available in the UK https://www.amazon.com/The-Case-Of-JonBenet-Ramsey/dp/B01LXK9C3V. There is also a Wiki entry explaining their conclusions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheCaseof:JonBen%C3%A9tRamsey

The panel of experts actually reconstructed a model of the home, they looked at all evidence and concluded that this was 'staging', the ransom note was also staging, the scene was staged in a panic after an accident. The theory was that the blow to the head was inflicted with a heavy torch (found in the home) the wound matched the impression of the torch. The marks that were always rumoured to be made by a taser gun fitted with the railway track joins found in the playroom. They also managed to isolate the background conversation of the 911 call.

Oh I totally believe it was staged, I just don’t think the boy would have garrotted his sister. So one of the parents was presumably responsible for that since I don’t buy the intruder theory.

In the opinion of this group of experts, yes, the parents staged it all from the way she was found to the ransom note.

Also, they had maintained all along that the son was in bed when the 911 call was made, however they managed to isolate the background of the call and the parents can be heard speaking to their son during the call (so he was not asleep in bed as they had stated). I do feel bad all round for them it is very sad, especially for the dad who had already lost an older daughter in a tragic accident beforehand.

No, the rest was probably the parents including the paintbrush up the wazzoo. She had been allegedly subject to sexual assault prior and the police think they were attempting to cover that up and it was a later addition.

There's masses of evidence it was done without an intruder. There are hours of notes about this case on a website called A Candy Rose. There were bits of tape that were put on her that were removed from some of her dolls and all sorts of weird stuff but nothing from outside of the home.

There was snow on the ground too but no footprints leading to the supposed egress point.

Neighbours heard a scream, the lights were on in the house all night and they were dressed in the same clothes they were wearing from the day before. They got a plane PDQ too. No way is that normal behaviour after your kid was murdered. Masses of lies and obfuscation but to be fair, it worked. There's a mass of evidence it was an attempted cover up.

The grand jury said there was a case to answer - fatal abuse causing death/accessory to a crime - but the DA I don't think thought they'd make it stick so no prosecution.
Kolar thought the [unnamed family member] did it all and the parents covered up with the ransom note and the wrist ligature. The later documentary took a more audience-friendly approach, that the blow to the head was the cause of death/brain-dead and the parents covered up an accident (personally, prefer the first theory as the second is unimaginable: that you'd desecrate a corpse is grim but the documentary thought that the idea of family member being responsible for SA was worse).

The panel of experts actually reconstructed a model of the home, they looked at all evidence and concluded that this was 'staging', the ransom note was also staging, the scene was staged in a panic after an accident. The theory was that the blow to the head was inflicted with a heavy torch (found in the home) the wound matched the impression of the torch. The marks that were always rumoured to be made by a taser gun fitted with the railway track joins found in the playroom. They also managed to isolate the background conversation of the 911 call.

This documentary has been torn apart by other 'panels of experts' though. It was all based on the book of one person rather than actual findings of actual experts and the evidence just seemed to be that Burke was a weird kid at the time and a weird adult. And that he didn't behave in the way people wanted him to behave when being questioned about the murder of his sister by strangers.

The 911 call has been reanalysed since then with more modern technology and the conclusion of that was that the sound on the call, because nobody could hear any words, could have been absolutely anything, including someone in the 911 call centre.

@SheRaaPrincessOfPower I think you must be thinking of a different documentary.

I'm not. It's the CBS documentary. The one with Henry Lee in and an English woman,

Now I've looked at the link that you provided, just in case I was wrong , and it even says on the link that the programme was based on a book.

And a whole section at the bottom criticising the documentary.