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Jon benet Ramsey, Netflix.

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Ariesburn · 15/02/2025 12:49

I've just watched this documentary and I feel so sad for that little girl and her family 😔

There are so many questions and why's like how on earth did the police miss her body when they searched the home, why was none of the family and friend's DNA taken. Why was the house not on lockdown considering it's a crime scene. I feel awful for the parents being blamed for it too. Detective Lou Smit found more evidence of an intruder than the boulder police did! Then you have that Peadophile guy who got in contact with them and admitted everything to that Michael guy through email and through the phones calls, how were these being ignored? It seems as though the boulder police force were extremely incompetent and so fixated on blaming the parents they missed a lot of credible evidence!

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ridingfreely · 15/02/2025 21:05

@PerditionCatchMySoul can you share the name of the podcast please

PixieandDelilahsmum · 15/02/2025 21:38

FrannyScraps · 15/02/2025 19:48

Who is 'they'?

Laura Richardson, Jim Clemente and a few other experts . I’m sure the details are oulined on the link.

FrannyScraps · 15/02/2025 21:40

PixieandDelilahsmum · 15/02/2025 21:38

Laura Richardson, Jim Clemente and a few other experts . I’m sure the details are oulined on the link.

Ok so not the police. It's still an unsolved murder.

PixieandDelilahsmum · 15/02/2025 21:40

FrannyScraps · 15/02/2025 19:43

Burke was 8 when she died, I dont think he could have killed her.

He could have, accidentally.

FrannyScraps · 15/02/2025 21:41

PixieandDelilahsmum · 15/02/2025 21:40

He could have, accidentally.

That's my opinion, I don't think he could have. Certainly not the injuries she was inflicted with.

PixieandDelilahsmum · 15/02/2025 21:41

FrannyScraps · 15/02/2025 21:40

Ok so not the police. It's still an unsolved murder.

They’re people with more expertise than the police. Their conclusions make sense.

FrannyScraps · 15/02/2025 21:43

PixieandDelilahsmum · 15/02/2025 21:41

They’re people with more expertise than the police. Their conclusions make sense.

But legally, it's still an unsolved murder. You can't just decide it's solved.

SheRaaPrincessOfPower · 15/02/2025 21:44

I’m sure the details are oulined on the link

Even before the debarcle last night people aren't so keen on clicking on random links. Now, even less so.

LeavesOnTrees · 15/02/2025 21:49

But what about the paedophile man who admitted it ?
Why the elaborate cover up if it was an accident by the brother ? The parents could have just said it was an accident.

She was sexuallly assaulted as well.

PixieandDelilahsmum · 15/02/2025 21:51

SheRaaPrincessOfPower · 15/02/2025 21:44

I’m sure the details are oulined on the link

Even before the debarcle last night people aren't so keen on clicking on random links. Now, even less so.

Fair enough. I didn’t know they’d been a debacle last night.

FanofLeaves · 15/02/2025 22:21

LeavesOnTrees · 15/02/2025 21:49

But what about the paedophile man who admitted it ?
Why the elaborate cover up if it was an accident by the brother ? The parents could have just said it was an accident.

She was sexuallly assaulted as well.

What about it? Criminals will confess and to and claim all manner of things for a bit of notoriety and attention.

its far more likely she was sexually assaulted by someone known to her, isn’t it.

Endofyear · 15/02/2025 22:23

I think it's insane that people are so quick to believe her parents (or her 8 year old brother!) are guilty. The Ramseys were normal loving parents, everybody who knew them, including their Paediatrician, has said this. Normal parents don't fashion a garotte and tighten it around their child's neck and sexually assault her to cover up an accident. That's absolutely insane. There was DNA on the child's underwear that did not come from the family and indicates that she was killed by an intruder. Read John Douglas (FBI Behavioural Science Unit) The Cases That Haunt Us. Boulder Police were incompetent and had no idea how to investigate a homicide case.

FanofLeaves · 15/02/2025 22:30

Endofyear · 15/02/2025 22:23

I think it's insane that people are so quick to believe her parents (or her 8 year old brother!) are guilty. The Ramseys were normal loving parents, everybody who knew them, including their Paediatrician, has said this. Normal parents don't fashion a garotte and tighten it around their child's neck and sexually assault her to cover up an accident. That's absolutely insane. There was DNA on the child's underwear that did not come from the family and indicates that she was killed by an intruder. Read John Douglas (FBI Behavioural Science Unit) The Cases That Haunt Us. Boulder Police were incompetent and had no idea how to investigate a homicide case.

How do you explain the ransom note? And the fact that it was an alleged kidnapping but it was nothing of the sort? Her body was in the house the whole time.

Endofyear · 15/02/2025 22:36

FanofLeaves · 15/02/2025 22:30

How do you explain the ransom note? And the fact that it was an alleged kidnapping but it was nothing of the sort? Her body was in the house the whole time.

Read what John Douglas has written about the case. He is an expert in his field.

FanofLeaves · 15/02/2025 22:40

Endofyear · 15/02/2025 22:36

Read what John Douglas has written about the case. He is an expert in his field.

No, still don’t buy what he’s selling. You know he was paid by JR to ‘investigate’ the case? $100,000, a hell of a lot of money at the time, and he interviewed the Ramseys for only 4 hours. Not even separately. Unsurprisingly, the report is very favourable to them.

MissyPants · 15/02/2025 23:01

I thought it was the brother the minute I watched the documentary, parents covered it up. Panicked and put her body in the basement to make it look like a murder.
The dad found her right away (because he put her there) and the practise notes on the pad.
Didn't want son to be convicted so they covered up for him.
That's my theory.

Endofyear · 15/02/2025 23:01

FanofLeaves · 15/02/2025 22:40

No, still don’t buy what he’s selling. You know he was paid by JR to ‘investigate’ the case? $100,000, a hell of a lot of money at the time, and he interviewed the Ramseys for only 4 hours. Not even separately. Unsurprisingly, the report is very favourable to them.

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He was paid for the work that he did but made it quite clear that if he had any evidence that they had committed the crime he would say so. He spent his professional life trying to catch criminals, do you think he'd defend someone he believed to be guilty? There is no evidence that the Ramseys were involved, if there was they'd have been charged and convicted. There is DNA evidence that someone else committed the murder

Ariesburn · 16/02/2025 00:20

The whole story is just so sad though, that poor little girl she was only 6! 😔 I don't get why DNA wasn't taken from family and friend and all the people who was watching them beauty shows. It's the same with her skull being caved in why wasn't there blood in the house or evidence of that surely she would of bled a hell lf a lot from that nasty head injury, it's all such a strange case. It is so sad that this little girl will never get justice and worse if the parents knew about it and covered it up how they were able to live with themselves knowing this dark secret! The guilt for me would literally take over!

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Pastaisntfood · 16/02/2025 01:08

It’s a really sad case especially as it isn’t solved and JB hasn’t had her justice.
I used to think it was her brother and the parents covered it up but now I think it’s darker than that.
There was evidence of sexual abuse, old and new. So they either ‘rented’ her or someone in the home was doing it. Perhaps she was making a fuss and her parents were angry and accidentally killed her. Or someone they had invited in did it and then blackmailed them.
It won’t be a popular opinion I’m sure, but parents who send their children to pageants dressed as mini adults make me sick, let them be little girls playing with their toys, it’s a dream for paedophiles and anyone could have been obsessed with JB as she was heavily sexualised. So who ever it was, the parents are at fault for neglect in my eyes.
I did half expect a death bed confession from patsy though as she definitely wrote that note.

TheIvyRestaurant · 16/02/2025 03:33

I’m really surprised, and always have been, that anyone can conclude that the parents did this. I know everyone loves a bit of true crime drama but this was clearly some pedophile who got away with it. The way the parents were misrepresented in the media was disgraceful

ARainyNightInSoho · 16/02/2025 03:38

I also think it was the son

BadLad · 16/02/2025 07:54

Pastaisntfood · 16/02/2025 01:08

It’s a really sad case especially as it isn’t solved and JB hasn’t had her justice.
I used to think it was her brother and the parents covered it up but now I think it’s darker than that.
There was evidence of sexual abuse, old and new. So they either ‘rented’ her or someone in the home was doing it. Perhaps she was making a fuss and her parents were angry and accidentally killed her. Or someone they had invited in did it and then blackmailed them.
It won’t be a popular opinion I’m sure, but parents who send their children to pageants dressed as mini adults make me sick, let them be little girls playing with their toys, it’s a dream for paedophiles and anyone could have been obsessed with JB as she was heavily sexualised. So who ever it was, the parents are at fault for neglect in my eyes.
I did half expect a death bed confession from patsy though as she definitely wrote that note.

Couldn’t agree more. Beauty pageants for small children are disgusting.

SheRaaPrincessOfPower · 16/02/2025 08:15

How do you explain the ransom note?

What is the ransom note evidence? If it's just that a handwriting expert said it was written by Patti then that's nothing really. It seems to me that in America you can find paid experts to say a lot of things. I imagine there are other handwriting experts that would say it wasn't written by her.

FanofLeaves · 16/02/2025 08:35

SheRaaPrincessOfPower · 16/02/2025 08:15

How do you explain the ransom note?

What is the ransom note evidence? If it's just that a handwriting expert said it was written by Patti then that's nothing really. It seems to me that in America you can find paid experts to say a lot of things. I imagine there are other handwriting experts that would say it wasn't written by her.

but for a would-be kidnapper to just chill in the kitchen after committing a murder, using the household paper and pens, still pretending it’s a kidnapping when there’s a body in the basement, demanding the ransom as the exact amount that JB had just got paid in his bonus? Come on.

And if the parents believed it was a kidnapping they did a shit job keeping up the pretence, since instead of doing anything the note asked of them to prevent the killing of their daughter Patsy called 911. Because she wrote the note in a panicked attempt to cover up a heinous crime and already knew JBR was dead.

PixieandDelilahsmum · 16/02/2025 08:46

SheRaaPrincessOfPower · 16/02/2025 08:15

How do you explain the ransom note?

What is the ransom note evidence? If it's just that a handwriting expert said it was written by Patti then that's nothing really. It seems to me that in America you can find paid experts to say a lot of things. I imagine there are other handwriting experts that would say it wasn't written by her.

The handwriting matched PR’s and the rest of the pad was found in the house with practice note impressions. Would an intruder really waste so much time writing such a lengthy ransom note in the house?