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Why on earth are Farage and Reform so popular ?

567 replies

Nonamenoblame · 13/02/2025 19:36

Their ideology is essentially heated up Thatcherism, more deregulation (if that’s possible) and laissez faire light touch for businesses, more cuts to public services because they love an even smaller state, cuts to benefits apart from those for pensioners, no real solution to the immigration issue apart from sinking the small boats.
So why isn’t Farage being challenged ? Everywhere you read that Farage is the next PM in waiting but his policies are a rerun of the last 14 years but worse, they haven’t worked so far, why would they work with a Reform government ? What’s an even worse thought is a Tory/Reform coalition, are we as country daft enough to fall for it ?
And how long would we give a Reform government to turn things around ? 6 months, a year ?

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Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 09:29

username299 · 23/02/2025 08:52

I know right. It's not like that bastion of truth The Mail.

Because you assume I read the mail?

username299 · 23/02/2025 09:36

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 09:29

Because you assume I read the mail?

Of course, you're a Reform voter I'm guessing. You'll get your "news" from the Mail and social media. You'll probably refer to it as 'raw data'. It's an echo chamber of like minded individuals who tend to parrot the same things.

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 09:49

username299 · 23/02/2025 09:36

Of course, you're a Reform voter I'm guessing. You'll get your "news" from the Mail and social media. You'll probably refer to it as 'raw data'. It's an echo chamber of like minded individuals who tend to parrot the same things.

Well you would be very wrong.

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username299 · 23/02/2025 10:18

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 09:49

Well you would be very wrong.

I'm happy to be proved wrong. Where do you get your news? I'm assuming it's not MSM as Reform types don't trust it.

Which reputable sources do you go to?

frenchnoodle · 23/02/2025 10:20

username299 · 23/02/2025 10:18

I'm happy to be proved wrong. Where do you get your news? I'm assuming it's not MSM as Reform types don't trust it.

Which reputable sources do you go to?

You are boarding on offensive with your stereotyping.

username299 · 23/02/2025 10:22

frenchnoodle · 23/02/2025 10:20

You are boarding on offensive with your stereotyping.

Oh dear.

frenchnoodle · 23/02/2025 10:28

username299 · 23/02/2025 10:22

Oh dear.

Doe a deer,
Corrected that for you

username299 · 23/02/2025 10:30

frenchnoodle · 23/02/2025 10:28

Doe a deer,
Corrected that for you

Much appreciated.

MoiraSuppose · 23/02/2025 10:52

I work in Lee Anderson's constituency. He's quite active in it whereas in mine the MP didn't even come to the hustings.

I think people are disillusioned with Labour with their Taylor Swift tickets and flats to study GCSEs in. And Reform is the nearest place to jump to.

EasternStandard · 23/02/2025 10:59

Of course, you're a Reform voter I'm guessing. You'll get your "news" from the Mail and social media. You'll probably refer to it as 'raw data'. It's an echo chamber of like minded individuals who tend to parrot the same things.

How did you get all that from the pp posts?

Upstartled · 23/02/2025 11:34

EasternStandard · 23/02/2025 10:59

Of course, you're a Reform voter I'm guessing. You'll get your "news" from the Mail and social media. You'll probably refer to it as 'raw data'. It's an echo chamber of like minded individuals who tend to parrot the same things.

How did you get all that from the pp posts?

I think what you do is you take somebody who doesn't agree with you and then you assume that they are also everything else that you hate in the world.

So, I would take somebody who agreed with Reeves' policy to increase employer's national insurance and then expect they also leave dog shit on the pavement and say things like, "my bad".

And then you extend that strategy out so wide that we now call it the political landscape.

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 11:37

username299 · 23/02/2025 10:18

I'm happy to be proved wrong. Where do you get your news? I'm assuming it's not MSM as Reform types don't trust it.

Which reputable sources do you go to?

How exactly would you like me to "prove" it? I could say anywhere. It's actually a good mixture. I like to follow various sources, to get a good mixture of views.

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 11:41

For what it's worth, I'm a floating voter. I have in the past voted tory, green, lib dem and indeed Labour. I vote according to who I think will be best for the country at the time.

username299 · 23/02/2025 11:49

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 11:37

How exactly would you like me to "prove" it? I could say anywhere. It's actually a good mixture. I like to follow various sources, to get a good mixture of views.

Can you name your sources? I'd like to know where you get your news from. Which websites do you read in order to keep abreast of current affairs? Which journals, blogs, papers, feeds do you use to get insight into political affairs?

Menopausalsourpuss · 23/02/2025 11:51

ImAChangeling · 19/02/2025 03:48

Why are farage and reform so popular? It’s Brexit all over again - an emotional rather than a rational response. Their voters will include people who cannot face (or cannot understand) facts and consequences. People who don’t read party manifestos or look up voting records. People who cannot strategise or think about the long term interests of the UK. People with little sense of collective responsibility.

I read their manifesto at the last general election and found it an unrealistic, poorly costed wish list. Reform policies will make life materially worse for nearly everyone. People who didn’t vote for them will be resentful and angry at what has been foisted upon them. Think of the ill feeling in the immediate aftermath of Brexit and multiply by one hundred fold.

Haha that is exactly how I feel about the people who voted Labour. I'm a qualified accountant but don't need to be to see that Labours budget is going to bankrupt alot of businesses and make the country poorer and that's before you look at their mad net zero policies. But they can't change direction as most of their voters are either on benefits, students or work for the public sector (ie dependent on expropriation of taxes from the productive sector). I think there will be alot of resentful and angry Labour voters by the end of this (that is already being reflected in the polls).

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 12:06

username299 · 23/02/2025 11:49

Can you name your sources? I'd like to know where you get your news from. Which websites do you read in order to keep abreast of current affairs? Which journals, blogs, papers, feeds do you use to get insight into political affairs?

Well you go first. I am not really liking the implications you make.

username299 · 23/02/2025 12:11

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 12:06

Well you go first. I am not really liking the implications you make.

What implications? You sniggered when I gave you the source for my assertion that 1 in 10 Reform voters support Russia. Apparently the Guardian is not a reputable news source.

I'm asking you to name your sources of news. What are the reputable sites you use?

You don't get your news from the Mail or social media, so where do you get your information from?

EasternStandard · 23/02/2025 12:11

@Upstartled yep!

But I'd question The Guardian on that article and the reading list and assumptions made to the @Felizsenora who did the same don't apply here

My media consumption is very far off that post and the pp likely is too

Clavinova · 23/02/2025 12:18

Nonamenoblame · 23/02/2025 08:14

What’s your purpose. Just tit for tat point scoring.
What we go off is a party’s record in power and the Tories record was still shite however you deflect. Absolutely no getting away from it and obvious to the whole country just by looking at the state of it.

My posts were quite clearly comparing Reform to Labour. What's your purpose with this deflection?

StarlightLady · 23/02/2025 12:22

Menopausalsourpuss · 23/02/2025 11:51

Haha that is exactly how I feel about the people who voted Labour. I'm a qualified accountant but don't need to be to see that Labours budget is going to bankrupt alot of businesses and make the country poorer and that's before you look at their mad net zero policies. But they can't change direction as most of their voters are either on benefits, students or work for the public sector (ie dependent on expropriation of taxes from the productive sector). I think there will be alot of resentful and angry Labour voters by the end of this (that is already being reflected in the polls).

I question your maths. If most Labour voters were on benefits, students or worked in the public sector (what is your source?) the Labour Party would never get sufficient seats to form a majority Government.

To gain sufficient votes and seats they require significant votes from those employed and working in the private sector.

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 12:24

username299 · 23/02/2025 12:11

What implications? You sniggered when I gave you the source for my assertion that 1 in 10 Reform voters support Russia. Apparently the Guardian is not a reputable news source.

I'm asking you to name your sources of news. What are the reputable sites you use?

You don't get your news from the Mail or social media, so where do you get your information from?

The Guardian leans one way. As do most news sources, including the "impartial" bbc. Which is why I laughed.

username299 · 23/02/2025 12:26

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 12:24

The Guardian leans one way. As do most news sources, including the "impartial" bbc. Which is why I laughed.

I get the it; it's very humorous. Which non partisan sources do you use?

Weefox · 23/02/2025 12:26

I guess because Reform are addressing issues which are ignored by mainstream politics, or at least not dealt with effectively.

Felizsenora · 23/02/2025 12:32

username299 · 23/02/2025 12:26

I get the it; it's very humorous. Which non partisan sources do you use?

Non partisan? I already stated that most of them aren't. I'm waiting for you to go first, rather than demanding that I do.

Also, while you're at it, you can tell me where the guardian got that figure you quoted.

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2025 12:36

Weefox · 23/02/2025 12:26

I guess because Reform are addressing issues which are ignored by mainstream politics, or at least not dealt with effectively.

You mean supporting Russia ?

Maybe that is best ignored ?