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Lucy Letby: a condensed update on recent developments

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Kittybythelighthouse · 05/02/2025 12:36

So, in the past week or so alone we’ve had:

Leading neonatology expert Dr Shoo Lee (Professor Emeritus at University of Toronto, Honorary Physician at Mount Sinai Hospital, President of the Neonatal Foundation, Founder of Canadian Neonatal Network, Previously Head of Neonatology at University of Toronto and a hospital for sick children) says his 1989 paper, which the prosecution relied on as their only proof of alleged intravenous air embolism (skin discolouration) was misused by the prosecution. He actually went to the appeal hearing and had his paper Judge-splained to him by three CoA judges who probably don’t even have a science A level (the judiciary have a poor record regarding science). He was so astonished and aggrieved that he has has published a new peer reviewed paper filling in all new evidence since 1989 and distinguishing between intravenous and arterial air embolism which the 1989 paper didn’t do. The conclusion: there is zero evidence for skin discolouration in intravenous air embolism, which is the only possibility in this case. This means there is absolutely no evidence to support an allegation of air embolism. It didn’t happen.

https://t.co/TRokh1hneu

Dr Shoo Lee pulled together a blue ribbon panel of the world’s best experts in relevant areas. Never before in legal history has a group of such highly regarded international experts come together to challenge the evidence against a convicted serial killer. They went through all of the evidence independently and pro bono (with the proviso that they would publish reports regardless of findings). Yesterday they held a press conference. Conclusion: there were no murders. There was plenty of poor care, medical malpractice, mistakes, and a poorly run struggling hospital.

“If this was a hospital in Canada, it would be shut down”

Link to their summary report: drive.google.com/file/d/1aV4zwwdBYw8Z_E-Tpe9_-iPR7n8cZdFk/view

A leak from an Operation Hummingbird detective which reveals that deaths were chosen as suspicious or not based on whether Letby was on shift (remember, most of the babies had uncontroversial post mortems at the time). There were ten other cases originally classed as suspicious until it was established Letby couldn’t have done them, then they magically became unsuspicious.

“Four more children would later be added, two children would be dropped, collapses deleted and added as the focus was turned in different directions, and the whole chart thoroughly chopped and changed. The guiding principle being, always, that Letby must be in the frame.” Trials of Lucy Letby on X.

https://t.co/FOO55lWlCi

Chester Police responded with a statement to The Mail on Sunday:

“There is a significant public interest in these matters, however, every story that is published, statement made, or comment posted online that refers to the specific details of a live investigation can impede the course of justice and cause further distress to the families concerned. It is these families and the ongoing investigations that remain our primary focus.”

“Cheshire Constabulary's statement to the Mail on Sunday is remarkable, coming from a police force that put out an HOUR-LONG promotional video about their own investigation.

They claim to be demurring from commenting now because "every story that is published, statement made, or comment posted online that refers to the specific details of a live investigation can impede the course of justice and cause further distress to the families concerned."

Such concerns did not stop them, less than two years ago, from flooding the press with incendiary and prejudicial commentary, going so far as to announce that they'd be reviewing the care of 4,000 babies that Letby may have ever come into contact with.

The lead investigator, Paul Hughes, even sat down with the co-hosts of the Daily Mail podcast for an episode called "Catching the Killer Nurse," where he speculated to no end about the supposedly evil and cunning machinations behind Letby's every move, and concluded that "she clearly does love the attention. I think she's loved the attention of a trial." (From The Trials of Lucy Letby on X).

Is Letby the one who loved the attention? The investigation was as active then as it is today. Why the silence now? 🤔

Thirlwall released the witness statement of Michelle Turner on behalf of Liverpool Women’s Hospital. She speaks about Letby's placement in 2012 & 2015, including how unlikely she would have been in an intensive care room without another nurse present.

thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/upl…

Former Director of Public Prosecutions Lord MacDonald to BBC’s World at One: “It is clear that there is now this quite impressive body of work. Something may have gone wrong here. That clearly has to be taken seriously.”

"New documents released by the Thirlwall Inquiry also show how the Countess of Chester refused to take part in research to improve outcomes for premature babies."

Neena Modi: "The Countess of Chester was the only hospital to decline participation."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/04/the-10-baby-deaths-that-cast-doubt-on-lucy-letbys-guilt/

Meanwhile the CPS still (as far as we know) refuse to hand over former Dr Dewi Evans new report about how one of the babies died - written in October 2024 after BBC’s File on Four challenged him about Letby not having been on shift when an ‘incriminating’ x ray was taken. In fact she hadn’t been on shift since the baby was born. She was convicted of killing this baby.

The CCRC announced yesterday that they have opened their investigation of the case. They assembled a team specifically for this case late last year, in anticipation of an application. This is an extraordinarily speedy and organised response from the CCRC.

https://ccrc.gov.uk/news/lucy-letby-application-received-by-criminal-cases-review-commission/

This has been a remarkable, historic, run of events. It is now looking very likely that the case will go back to the Court of Appeal, or there may be a more expedient solution. Whatever happens, it’s very unlikely to take the CCRC their usual 10 years to deal with it. They are on the ropes recently, with a CEO stepping down and a raft of bad press. I am not Mystic Meg, but my money is on an exoneration within the year.

https://tinyurl.com/33hmv6cy

https://t.co/TRokh1hneu

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Kittybythelighthouse · 19/02/2025 19:05

PinkTonic · 19/02/2025 14:09

I’ve just read through what purports to be a court transcript which someone has posted elsewhere (T word). Evans is not only slippery but my goodness he doesn’t suffer a moment’s self doubt does he. What an arrogant and thoroughly obnoxious piece of shit he is whilst blatantly lying through his teeth.

I don’t know how anyone falls for it. He’s such an obvious charlatan. Imagine being this keen to ruin someone’s life. No problem lying, changing stories. No shame whatsoever! If this was the 1600’s he would excel as a Witchfinder. He should be locked up imo.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 20/02/2025 10:14

Excellent article by Ann Diamond in the Telegraph today - tried to do the archive thing but it seemed to go to an older article so not sure if it's my tech fail or theirs. Worth reading though.

MikeRafone · 20/02/2025 10:44

I have a couple of questions

Where there any complaints about LL by the parents and the way she handled the care of there babies before the police investigation?

For example I have made a complaint through PALS about a doctor at our local hospital who works in the paediatric ward on behalf of the child - did any of the parents of the babies on the until make any complaints?

With the inquiry - have other babies deaths been looked at on the ward but blindly not knowing whether LL was present?

MikeRafone · 20/02/2025 10:46

MistressoftheDarkSide · 20/02/2025 10:14

Excellent article by Ann Diamond in the Telegraph today - tried to do the archive thing but it seemed to go to an older article so not sure if it's my tech fail or theirs. Worth reading though.

Sadly I can't see the article without paying. I have a lot of respect for AD and the work she did in highlighting the 5 things to do that may help prevent cot death - I was a new mum at that time

ThePartingOfTheWays · 20/02/2025 10:46

MistressoftheDarkSide · 20/02/2025 10:14

Excellent article by Ann Diamond in the Telegraph today - tried to do the archive thing but it seemed to go to an older article so not sure if it's my tech fail or theirs. Worth reading though.

Is this it?

https://archive.ph/OTkI3

MistressoftheDarkSide · 20/02/2025 10:58

ThePartingOfTheWays · 20/02/2025 10:46

Yes - thank you 😊

It really highlights the dangers of agenda driven use of dubious medical dogma.

BoredZelda · 20/02/2025 11:29

For example I have made a complaint through PALS about a doctor at our local hospital who works in the paediatric ward on behalf of the child - did any of the parents of the babies on the until make any complaints?

I had a baby in neonatal. I'd have had to have seen a nurse standing over my baby with an evil grin and needle in her hand before I'd have raised a complaint.

It isn't the same as a children's ward, where you've likely seen your child well and become unwell and you know something is wrong. Your baby is full of tubes and wires, alarms are going off all over the place. You aren't allowed to hold your baby as they are so poorly, if a nurse comes in and performs a procedure on your baby, you don't question it. If you did, you'd be asking the questions a dozen times daily. Your baby has already had one step forwards, three steps back, four times that week, would you know if that only happened when a certain nurse was on shift? According to the recent information, the parents only had Consultant feedback after ward rounds twice a week. How would you know if something wasn't as it should be.

Your hormones are all over the place, you're dealing with a very traumatic thing that's happened to you. You don't know if your baby is going to survive or not and if you don't put your trust in the nursing staff, you'd likely breakdown.

For parents not to make a complaint or raise a concern at that time is not at all relevant to whether or not Letby is innocent.

MikeRafone · 20/02/2025 12:14

BoredZelda · 20/02/2025 11:29

For example I have made a complaint through PALS about a doctor at our local hospital who works in the paediatric ward on behalf of the child - did any of the parents of the babies on the until make any complaints?

I had a baby in neonatal. I'd have had to have seen a nurse standing over my baby with an evil grin and needle in her hand before I'd have raised a complaint.

It isn't the same as a children's ward, where you've likely seen your child well and become unwell and you know something is wrong. Your baby is full of tubes and wires, alarms are going off all over the place. You aren't allowed to hold your baby as they are so poorly, if a nurse comes in and performs a procedure on your baby, you don't question it. If you did, you'd be asking the questions a dozen times daily. Your baby has already had one step forwards, three steps back, four times that week, would you know if that only happened when a certain nurse was on shift? According to the recent information, the parents only had Consultant feedback after ward rounds twice a week. How would you know if something wasn't as it should be.

Your hormones are all over the place, you're dealing with a very traumatic thing that's happened to you. You don't know if your baby is going to survive or not and if you don't put your trust in the nursing staff, you'd likely breakdown.

For parents not to make a complaint or raise a concern at that time is not at all relevant to whether or not Letby is innocent.

The example given for PALS was just that - and example of the complaints procedure.

It was a question asking if anyone did make a complaint, you didn't answer that question - do you know the answer or not?

Kittybythelighthouse · 20/02/2025 21:53

MikeRafone · 20/02/2025 10:44

I have a couple of questions

Where there any complaints about LL by the parents and the way she handled the care of there babies before the police investigation?

For example I have made a complaint through PALS about a doctor at our local hospital who works in the paediatric ward on behalf of the child - did any of the parents of the babies on the until make any complaints?

With the inquiry - have other babies deaths been looked at on the ward but blindly not knowing whether LL was present?

No parents complained about her at the time. One set of parents actually discussed having her as godmother. None of the nurses did either, as we now know based on Thirlwall finally releasing their statements this week. The barely present drs did. They were only present on the ward x2 ward rounds per week vs the norm of x2 per day. 4.

Does this mean she’s innocent? No. Not by itself. But it is part of the totality of ‘circumstantial evidence’, as they say, that points away from guilt.

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