Lucy Letby press conference

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There is a press conference going on now trying to get Lucy Letby's conviction overturned. From what I read the guilty verdict was sound. All those ill babies dying when she was alone with them. Just a coincidence? Already been refused an appeal.

Having always been considered weird and knowing how I used to behave, I would probably have been the first one suspected of fuckery.

New evidence - a team of medical experts in neonatology, worldwide - the babies weren’t murdered!

This is NOT true.

Dr Shoo Lee who chaired the panel said, "In summary, ladies and gentlemen, we did not find any murders". And Prof Neena Modi, a former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, is one of the 14 experts who analysed the cases of 17 babies Letby allegedly harmed.

Modi said there were “very, very plausible reasons for these babies’ deaths” and that, across all 17 cases, there was a combination of babies being “in the wrong place, delivered in the wrong place, delayed diagnosis and inappropriate or absent treatment”.

I’m sorry about your dm. My fil spent a few nights in icu with kidney failure from potassium overdose and a month in hospital. He was discharged last week to respite care as he’s too ill to live alone. His heart is being monitored by the hospital as his potassium levels remain very very high. The GP - since retired - prescribed him so much potassium he’s lucky to be alive.

As for this case, I feel desperately sorry for the parents. However, it is imperative that the truth be told so that hopefully this doesn’t happen again.

Thank you for the insightful posts on this thread.

To be fair I think that the "one" is a typo. Perhaps @thiswilloutme could clarify?

Nurses often feel compelled to work extra hours to support their colleagues and ensure continuity of care for patients. And “management swaps” are generally not requests - you get told your off-duty/rota has been changed because of the required skill mix on the unit. Your contract will say this - it’s not usually easy to get out of unless you have absolutely compelling reasons.

It should never have been taken too seriously how she reacted to being arrested. Each one of us would react completely differently. Had she been dragged kicking and screaming and protesting her innocence would it any more of an indicator of her innocence or just a performance?

And we all know how people reacted to Christopher Jeffries in the Joanna Yeates murder just because he came across as weird/eccentric/not reacting to a murder charge how others thought he should.

So you think all trials are fair and all convictions are safe? That’s quite a lovely thought. I can see some butterflies gadding about and rabbits and kittens playing.

Thank you for putting a better response than I would have done. 👏

Our justice system should form the backbone of a stable society. Without it, we crumble.

To get any traction at all, they would have to make this public. Nothing would’ve happened if they had done it quietly. It’s still possible nothing will.

It's what society as a whole loses if people are allowed to be scapegoated and our legal system is faulty.

I don't know whether she killed those babies or not. There are other possibilities that spring to mind, namely, that she killed some of them and was a convenient scapegoat for others that died unnecessarily due to hospital negligence.

From the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c89l05e97vqo

RE Baby C: Letby was not working on the day the X-ray was taken and had not been on shift since before the baby was born - information the jury heard in her first trial. Letby’s former barrister Ben Myers also highlighted these details in his closing argument.
In his summing up the judge made clear to the jury this X-ray had been taken the day before Baby C collapsed, though he didn’t remind them Letby hadn’t been on shift. At appeal, the prosecution said Letby could have visited the hospital while off shift, but didn’t put forward any evidence that she was there.

I don't know about the others but this was pretty damning and yet she was found guilty of C's death.

apologies - it should have read NONE not "one!

Thank you.

I doubt that this is going to succeed

Shes already been interviewed for other incidents that happened on her watch and those cases are not even in the public domain yet

Its easy for other experts to disagree - it’s not new

As the judge said you can’t just all of a sudden have a new trial because you have found experts you want to call!

She had instructed her own experts but they were not called to the stand

It's weird her defence never brought this up though if it's the case- surely that's a right clanger? I know she herself during her time on the stand said she didn't always swipe in and would often go in on her days off- i suppose that didn't help her much.

They did bring it up. See my previous post with the BBC link.

Ah yes, the possible several thousand babies she might have come into contact with after she began nursing that are being examined with a fine tooth comb to see if any more charges can be retro-fitted against her. I think it will start looking like a dead horse is being flogged, and will lose credibility very quickly.

‘I do wonder if she would have been convicted if she had been black rather than a pretty white girl’

Do you see how offensive that statement is? The quoted statement is no less offensive.

Please don’t use the deaths of children as a stalking horse for presumed grievance

I think this is the most plausible explanation IF she's not guilty of killing all. That she killed some (either deliberately or through error/negligence) and that the other deaths were the negligence/incompetence of the hospital.

If this is proved, that is one hell of a cover up by the hospital management and will show up the massive under funding of the NHS in devastating fashion. If this is the case there will be investigations into other hospitals as LL's hospital is not the only hospital with questionable death rates.

That isn't new evidence. It's opinions on evidence already submitted.

You are very resistant to hear anything that suggests the first conviction is unsafe. You re not open minded and would make a poor juror.

Absolutely. And bear in mind that at different times in the trial she was criticised for being both too emotional, and not emotional enough.

yes, it should have read "none of the babies were murdered" not "one of the babies were murdered". I asked that it be edited or withdrawn, looks like they took it down.

The prosecution case is increasingly looking like seeing the face of Jesus in a piece of toast and declaring it a miracle......

@ManchesterPie

if a person followed the trial and believed Letby to be guilty it does not mean she would make a poor juror just because she doesn’t want to listen to other opinions on the case!!!

she may have listened to the press conference this morning and still believed the original verdict