Liam Payne dad being sued.

[Mirandawrongs]

Apologies if there is already a thread about this, I couldn’t find one.

I can’t help feeling uncomfortable with others being blamed for self destruction.
the people that sold him drugs and those who encouraged it are to hold some responsibility but I don’t think those that are friends are.

Liam’s dad has named his friend in legal papers. A sworn statement apparently.

caroline flacks mother blames her friends for leaving her alone, it is not their fault.

I am starting to feel that if I’m out with someone and they get too drunk, it’s then my responsibility to look after them?
Liam was safely in his hotel room.
Caroline was at home.
what they did was their actions, no one else’s.

it is desperately sad but I don’t think blaming others helps.

I have sympathy for their frustration but I don’t think blaming everyone is helping anyone.

Blaming anyone else for a persons suicide is awful. Unless they directly caused it like the sad case of the new mother that was recently in the news.

You can’t help some people. It’s not fair to blame anyone because I can guarantee they probably tried and tried.

I am certain Caroline Flacks mum said she would always commit suicide at some point so it’s shocking for her to blame her friends. She should have been there for her daughter if that’s the case.

The title of your thread is confusing.

sorry.

he is being sued because he named people in a statement to police.

Maybe I should’ve put something like “don’t blame others for the suicidal death of your children”?

That's easier said than done. I'm sure that if your child committed suicide you'd be literally insane for a long time and would lash out at anyone and everyone.

I think when people die their loved ones may try to look for someone to blame. In the case of suicide it must be more prevalent.

I agree, none of this has sat right with me.

Who says no to someone famous when they want something. I can sort of get it with the celebrity doctors, they are doctors and took an oath first and foremost, but they are popular because they give the celebrities exactly what they want. If the celeb dosnt get it from them they will go elsewhere.

I also don’t like the double standards, how much effort is put into tracking down and charging everyone involved in regular Joe bloggs ODs or fallen off a balcony while off their heads.

I didn’t know who Caroline flack was but from what I’ve read her friends did everything they could, if her parents didn’t want her left alone they should have been there. But I do understand that it’s easier to blame others than yourself.

At the end of the day when someone is determined to they will find away to take their own life.

With Kiena Dawes that very different, the evil fuck drove her to death and should have been found guilty.

I don't think Liam Payne's death is being considered a suicide. I also don't think he was "safely" in his hotel room. I'm not saying what happened was Roger Nores' fault, just pointing that out.

Sorry, he's being sued by who and why?

He was alone in his room and died due to his actions.
he was apparently in quite an emotional state before he was in his room

is it the same as the people that try to climb a hotel balcony but fall
maybe that’s not regarded as suicide but it’s close.

He is being sued by Roger Nores for defamation.

Geoff Payne names him in a sworn statement saying he contributed to Liam’s death

I think it’s easier says than done, when does it’s a natural part of the process to be angry and to want someone to be angry at. If someone dies by suicide you’re left with being angry at them, which can feel intolerable so you deflect to someone else, again a very human psychological defense. Yes it may not be logical, but grief isn’t logical.

Even leaving a suicide note blaming an ex doesn't make them guilty as a recent court case showed. Imo he was guilty....

This.

It’s a complex situation.IMO If someone lead a dangerous reckless self-destructive life in general no I don’t think their family should be focusing on blaming others.

I think its a different situation in the cases of say a suicide where someone has been tormented by their bullies/ abusive partner and sometimes even goaded them to “go kill yourself” etc and their family feel those people drove them to it as it was very deliberate and malicious.

That’s obviously very different from what’s happening with Liam Payne. I think with people who live this kind of life it is often a matter of time before their poor choices catch up with them . Realistically they have money and charism and connections - if someone is shameless enough to be a drug dealer why would they draw the line at getting drugs for Liam?

What annoys me is if the average substance user died through drugs police etc don’t usually investigate that deeply into who sold it to them. Maybe they would in some circumstances say if it was a teenager
with no record of drug abuse but normally it’s just written off an unfortunate accident.

I can totally understand the grieving friends and family wanting to blame someone. What surprises me about the tragic Liam Payne case is that his friend and 2 hotel staff have been charged too I believe. I think I read that the friend was blamed because he left Liam alone, and the staff were blamed because they shouldn’t have let him go to a balcony room when he was so wasted. If that’s true then it’s crazy. Any hotel worker would be insane to stop a rich celebrity going to their room - they’d be sacked , and may even face criminal charges (kidnapping, use of excessive force if physical restraint was needed). The hotel staff had no option but to let him go to his room if that’s what he wanted. To my mind, the drug dealers should be prosecuted for being drug dealers, but that’s it.

I think I read that the friend was blamed because he left Liam alone, and the staff were blamed because they shouldn’t have let him go to a balcony room when he was so wasted.

Yeah a man of such means probably should have his own minder or something if he was getting into that kind of state where he regularly needed that level of care as a grown man. I don’t know much about this case or him but if he was someone who did this a lot perhaps they were exhausted.

I once had a friend who assaulted 5 people once when we went out with her, I never went out with her again while she was drinking. She was ok normally but drink brought out her violent side which I wasn’t aware of previously. It was a crazy and exhausting experience trying to get her back to her apartment and stay up all night with her.

I understand that Liam passed out in the foyer and was physically carried by hotel staff up to his room. They actively took him there. There is also a suggestion staff prevented him from leaving his room. It wasn't a matter of him choosing to go there of his own accord.

I'm less clear on why Roger Nores has been charged.

I wonder why they didn’t call the ambulance? It took more energy to carry him to his room surely.

I wonder if there is some kind of expectation that these luxury hotels will be “discreet” when celebrities are involved? If so that needs to be looked at.

Because ultimately that isn’t beneficial either to the celebs themselves or the (often low paid) staff who are going to be held responsible when it goes wrong.

I think they did call the ambulance but specifically asked the call handler that the police not be called. I don't know if that was before or after carrying him to his room.

A member of hotel staff is implicated in the supply of drugs to Liam. Which perhaps explains the request not to send police.

I thought it was a bit more complicated than this - that this man was a bit of a vulture, someone who attached himself to Liam and was perhaps trying to extort money

It still doesn't make him responsible for his suicide or for minding Louis.

But can you sue someone for naming you in a police statement? Surely the statement is just your version of what happened. I'm uncomfortable with the idea that you can't even tell your honest side to the police without being at risk of litigation.

Like the recent case of the man who was charged for driving his ex to suicide - I think it's right he's been found not guilty, but I also don't think for a second he should be able to sue the woman's family for blaming him.

My opinion, which is probably not politically correct but hey ho, is this:
Nobody held LP down and injected drugs into his body.
He was a fully grown man. He knew the risks of his behaviour.
It is a shame. However and I say this every time a wealthy celebrity goes down this path. When it’s some down and out tramp you come across in town centres, nobody gives a damn. People blame then. Even though these types of people tend to have had limited opportunity and choices in life. Yet a wealthy celebrity with access to all the help money can buy get acres of sympathy.
He made his own choices.
I think it serves his father right that the person he named is suing him and I hope he is successful.
To me it sounds like deflection. Why didn’t his own father do more to protect him if he feels a random non relative could have done more then so should he.

I totally agree Only Mothers, it doesn't seem right that you can be sued for something you said in your police statement.

Who has said it was suicide, he was under the influence of serious drugs, he wasn't of sound mind, an ambulance should have been called when he passed out. He wasn't in a position to make a decision and the staff or his friends failed him. He's hardly in a position to complain.

A member of hotel staff is implicated in the supply of drugs to Liam
even worse.

I don’t know the timeline of events but suspect they called the ambulance quite some time after he passed out instead of immediately ?

I’m sure a lot more will come out about this sad case.

I’ve seen his girlfriend is getting a lot of social media abuse. It was linked in an article so I looked at her Instagram page briefly and I still was not entirely sure what she was getting berated for, but it didn’t seem justified.

I’d say in general though that it’s not advisable for women to hitch their wagons to men like that whether they have money or not.