Liam Payne dad being sued.

[Mirandawrongs]

Apologies if there is already a thread about this, I couldn’t find one.

I can’t help feeling uncomfortable with others being blamed for self destruction.
the people that sold him drugs and those who encouraged it are to hold some responsibility but I don’t think those that are friends are.

Liam’s dad has named his friend in legal papers. A sworn statement apparently.

caroline flacks mother blames her friends for leaving her alone, it is not their fault.

I am starting to feel that if I’m out with someone and they get too drunk, it’s then my responsibility to look after them?
Liam was safely in his hotel room.
Caroline was at home.
what they did was their actions, no one else’s.

it is desperately sad but I don’t think blaming others helps.

I have sympathy for their frustration but I don’t think blaming everyone is helping anyone.

Suicide is intentionally taking or attempting to take your own life.
This is quite different to being emotional, making bad choices, putting yourself in a vulnerable position and it ending in your own death.

They key word is intent.

I still don’t understand- someone is suing Liam Payne dad because he named them in a police statement?

it’s perfectly normal for the supplier to be investigated in a drugs death and frequently leads to arrest. It’s a criminal investigation.

thats not something you can sue anyone for and of course liams dad was right to tell the police who he thinks supplied the drugs.

have I totally misunderstood?

Exactly, I would be interested to know how they can blame some one else, he was an adult and no one forced him to take the drugs/ whatever else was in his system

When my bf ended his life i blamed everyone to begin with i think it was easier then blaming myself but years later and lots of therapy later iv learnt adults are responsible for themselves they make choices and there are consequences to these choices.

Sending sympathy 💐

Called an ambulance for what though? He was off his head on drink and drugs. That’s not a medical emergency

Idk about the liams dad issue, maybe it is a libel complaint. Cannot see how the dad helping the police could be wrong though.

I think selling drugs should have a big penalty if someone dies as a result. It is the risk you take selling and a mishap could be reasonably be expected to happen.

Leaving someone alone or other omissions absolutely not. That is too remote and the person has no legal responsibility.

Some jurisdictions have crimes of omission eg. See a child you don’t know, drowning in a puddle and you can simply roll them over with no risk to yourself but you don’t, in theory you can be prosecuted in some places. But not helping or leaving someone alone that you are not legally responsible for, after that person took drugs voluntarily, I would be surprised if that was prosecutable.

Yea, suicide is devastating for those that are left behind, I think it’s so much worse loosing a loved one in this way than by old age / illness as it plays on peoples minds for so long trying to figure out why they did it
Condolences on your loss

Apparently he had been convulsing and falling unconscious.

Of course it is

The whole court case seems very bizarre to me, I don't think criminal charges for Liam Payne's death would have been brought in this Country under English law (apart from possibly the illegal supply of drugs). There would be an inquest and a verdict, I think of death by misadventure. There seems no evidence anyone forced Liam to take the drugs. Yes, he was escorted to his room but it seems clear he fell from the balcony due to his own actions (I personally believe unintentionally).

Could it be gross negligence manslaughter on the part of the hotel? I am not sure how much their duty of care would extend here. It was quite possibly grossly negligent to escort a clearly intoxicated guest to a room with an open balcony and leave him unsupervised.

I have no criticism of the family, they are grieving and have probably seen a number of 'hangers on' taking advantage of Liam over the years, not acting in his best interests.

I have lost all sympathy for the friend if he is suing Liam's father for defamation. Christ - yes you can be upset at being blamed but to sue the grieving father for millions seems cruel beyond belief.

I have lost all sympathy for the friend if he is suing Liam's father for defamation. Christ - yes you can be upset at being blamed but to sue the grieving father for millions seems cruel beyond belief.
I guess he's seen a way of continuing to milk the cash cow.

I also don’t agree with the blame game that seems to be going on. With the exception of the drug supplier(s) obviously. The hate that has been thrown at his girlfriend is foul.

Roger seems a bit of a strange character however being charged for a death when he wasn’t even in the premesis is bizarre. By that logic they’d need to arrest the tens of other friends and family members that knew he had issues. Charging people in this way is a slippery slope, where does it end?

I read the Maya Henry (his ex) book - he had these issues for YEARS. She also mentions in one part an incident where he took drugs, smashed their house up and then tried to leap off their balcony in some sort of psychotic state. This time round was just sadly the last such incident of many.

drugs booze ego tired of other people blamed for weak
adults with everthing
money lover kids booboo

It is if you're unconscious and he had passed out in reception

It's my understanding from what I have read that this guy, Nores was in some way supposed to be Liam's carer, support type person. There was a contractual agreement of some kind, I'm not sure if the contract states Liam had no capacity to make decisions so that that responsibility was delegated to Nores legally and then he breached that by leaving the hotel when he did at what was a critical moment. I think he was a terrible friend / support person. It seems he facilitated the drugs and was involved in the hookers he had in the morning of his death. He certainly comes across as a unreliable person and witness.

To my understanding, he wasn’t safely in his room. He was very drunk plus drugs on board. Any one else, and the hospital would have phoned an ambulance for him, not got 4 people carry up to his room to leave him alone.

And yes, if I was out with someone who was paralytic, I would see it as my responsibility to ensure they were safe.

I think when your child ends their life, you will blame anyone in an attempt not to look at whether you could have done more. It’s understandable but can go really far. I work in a university and every time a student sadly ends their life the university wellbeing team get all of the blame, led by the parents. An educational institution cannot stop students ending their life. They are adults with capacity and only the nhs can section someone. Sometimes these students have been at home with parents for months. But still, universities are the easy option to blame and I see why parents do it and it’s a better story for the media to blame a university

Whenever someone high profile dies of drugs or suicide, there's an outcry of 'why didn't anyone help' which is totally misplaced. The people were presumably already surrounded by concerned loved ones and receiving medical support etc. It's an insult to their families, who probably suffered greatly trying desperately to help over many years.

Yeah this basically.

I think it would have been a highly emotive time when his dad gave these statements. The authorities were looking for answers at the time. This Roger guy seemed to be heavily involved.

With Caroline’s mum, not having the answers, means she hat she just can’t get closure. It’s such a difficult aspect to her grief. Also, what could have been… Watching her friends moving on.

Exactly. From the details we know so far it’s worrying if anyone doesn’t class that as a medical emergency.

I think the issue Op was talking about is that sometimes the family of the person who has died are the ones saying “why didn’t anyone help?” and pointing the finger at others (friends, exes, partners, colleagues) which is when the questions and accusations kind of get redirected back.

@AquaPeer

Called an ambulance for what though? He was off his head on drink and drugs. That’s not a medical emergency

Just because it was self induced doesn't mean it's not a medical emergency.

Of course someone who has overdosed on drugs or alcohol needs urgent medical attention.

My response has literally zero to do with it being self induced. Being extremely drunk or drugged is fairly common and causes people to go into deep sleeps- the literal definition of a drunken slumber/ drunken stupor. That’s not a medical emergency.

convulsing is different but I don’t believe that tbh