Sorry this is so mundane. We moved just before Christmas and haven't unpacked these yet - because there's nowhere to put them. Our kitchen is smaller than the previous house with fewer cupboards, and they are all full. We could find space for some sort of rack arrangement under or just by a table, and there is a big garage. I do remember how messy the boxes were when I stored them in a cupboard at my previous house though. Thanks for any wisdom.