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Why do people buy SUVs?

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MuskIsACnt · 08/01/2025 23:37

I need a new car and I’ve always had a small car but it seems every other car now is an SUV, so I’m wondering why and whether I need one.

The boot space is often the same as smaller cars, they’re more expensive and arguably harder to park. Am I missing some great benefit that I should be considering? Or does driving a big car just make people feel big (I used to drive a Luton van and that made me feel big)?

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Needanewname42 · 15/01/2025 10:42

I was out driving today and concluded part of it must be fashion.

If you think of the best description I can come up with for a SUV, big car, boxy in shape and raised of the ground.
I'm sure vintage cars like Model T ford would fit that description.

So we have gone from high up boxy cars, to the 50s curvey cars, to low down hot hatches, back to high up boxy cars.

Part of it is fashion part of it is they are easier to get in and out off.

Shade17 · 15/01/2025 11:50

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 12/01/2025 16:07

An SUV alone doesn't provide safety. It's about the NCAP rating. There is footage from a top gear episode where they drive various cars into a concrete block at the same speed (I think it's 40mph but don't take my word) and the Ford fiesta comes out better than the Land Rover (think it was a defender) which would have crushed the leg of the driver as the pedals would have been rammed into them. The fiesta had a 5 star and the Land Rover a 3.

The interesting thing about this test is that it replicates a head-on collision between two identical vehicles each travelling at 40mph. It would’ve been interesting to see the Fiesta and Landrover head-on at 40mph.

Needanewname42 · 15/01/2025 11:54

I'm going to give credit to Fiesta my neices was written off by a truck, bounced of barriers, both occupants walked away. Result! The car did its job protected them.

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Expletive · 15/01/2025 12:26

Shade17 · 15/01/2025 11:50

The interesting thing about this test is that it replicates a head-on collision between two identical vehicles each travelling at 40mph. It would’ve been interesting to see the Fiesta and Landrover head-on at 40mph.

That is an interesting point. In the real world the bigger and heavier a vehicle is, the more likely its driver is to survive a collision.

If you poke around on the IIHS website you can find statistics that confirm this.

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model

Driver death rates by make and model

One way to compare the relative safety of vehicles is to look at driver death rates.

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 14:34

Shade17 · 15/01/2025 11:50

The interesting thing about this test is that it replicates a head-on collision between two identical vehicles each travelling at 40mph. It would’ve been interesting to see the Fiesta and Landrover head-on at 40mph.

It’s a head on collision with a concrete block not a similar vehicle. However, the fiesta may come off worse in a collision with a Land Rover than the concrete block, particularly if it’s oncoming and adds force. The Land Rover is still going to come off worse whether it’s a concrete block or a smaller car because it doesn’t have the protection built in. It will crumble at various points on impact that the fiesta is designed to withstand. I’d guess, and it is a complete guess, that a concrete block weighs more than a Land Rover. Someone else can google that.

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 14:35

Expletive · 15/01/2025 12:26

That is an interesting point. In the real world the bigger and heavier a vehicle is, the more likely its driver is to survive a collision.

If you poke around on the IIHS website you can find statistics that confirm this.

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model

I don’t think that’s how science works. The car may be heavier but if it’s not designed to take the impact well, then in won’t.

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 14:35

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 14:35

I don’t think that’s how science works. The car may be heavier but if it’s not designed to take the impact well, then in won’t.

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Shade17 · 15/01/2025 15:08

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 14:34

It’s a head on collision with a concrete block not a similar vehicle. However, the fiesta may come off worse in a collision with a Land Rover than the concrete block, particularly if it’s oncoming and adds force. The Land Rover is still going to come off worse whether it’s a concrete block or a smaller car because it doesn’t have the protection built in. It will crumble at various points on impact that the fiesta is designed to withstand. I’d guess, and it is a complete guess, that a concrete block weighs more than a Land Rover. Someone else can google that.

The concrete block represents the other vehicle. A single car into a concrete block at 40mph is the same as two identical cars head-on each travelling at 40mph. All three of those cars effectively have to dissipate their own kinetic energy within their crumple zones and so the damage will be virtually identical.

Shade17 · 15/01/2025 15:15

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 14:35

I don’t think that’s how science works. The car may be heavier but if it’s not designed to take the impact well, then in won’t.

It’s all about the energy involved though, in Fiesta vs Land Rover there’s more kinetic energy to dissipate than in the Fiesta va Fiesta scenario.

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 16:19

Shade17 · 15/01/2025 15:15

It’s all about the energy involved though, in Fiesta vs Land Rover there’s more kinetic energy to dissipate than in the Fiesta va Fiesta scenario.

I understand it’s the energy involved but hitting a concrete block would not be the same as hitting an identical car because it simply isn’t an identical car and it’s a static object.

Shade17 · 15/01/2025 16:26

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 16:19

I understand it’s the energy involved but hitting a concrete block would not be the same as hitting an identical car because it simply isn’t an identical car and it’s a static object.

Yes, it really would.

Expletive · 15/01/2025 17:59

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 14:35

I don’t think that’s how science works. The car may be heavier but if it’s not designed to take the impact well, then in won’t.

If you doubt the science, read the accident statistics gathered by IIIHS. As a driver of a big car you are less likely to be killed in a collision with another car than the driver of a small car. By some margin.

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 18:06

Expletive · 15/01/2025 17:59

If you doubt the science, read the accident statistics gathered by IIIHS. As a driver of a big car you are less likely to be killed in a collision with another car than the driver of a small car. By some margin.

I’m not doubting that a bigger car causes more damage. I’m saying that just because a car is little, doesn’t mean it is less safe than a big car.

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 18:08

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 18:06

I’m not doubting that a bigger car causes more damage. I’m saying that just because a car is little, doesn’t mean it is less safe than a big car.

To clarify, a large and small car both hit the same fiesta. The large car will cause more damage. Any car hits the Land Rover and the Land Rover will receive more damage because it is not designed to take the impact.

User19876536484 · 15/01/2025 18:08

Then why do proportionately more people die while driving small cars and fewer die driving big ones?

I was surprised too, but unless I have misinterpreted the tables, it seems clear from the link posted above.

Expletive · 15/01/2025 18:22

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 15/01/2025 18:08

To clarify, a large and small car both hit the same fiesta. The large car will cause more damage. Any car hits the Land Rover and the Land Rover will receive more damage because it is not designed to take the impact.

It is designed to take the impact. Because there is less energy transferred from the Fiesta to the Freelander than there would be if a Freelander hit a Freelander, the damage to the Freelander will be less severe.

HowardTJMoon · 20/01/2025 09:34

User19876536484 · 15/01/2025 18:08

Then why do proportionately more people die while driving small cars and fewer die driving big ones?

I was surprised too, but unless I have misinterpreted the tables, it seems clear from the link posted above.

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It's because the large cars are using the small cars as their crumple zone

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