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Thread 14 Starmer - The Starmeristas Strike Back

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DuncinToffee · 04/01/2025 00:16

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cardibach · 10/01/2025 22:37

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 10/01/2025 22:29

Bloody hell - I grew up in a house that only had an outside loo and a bath in the kitchen.
I must deserve a knighthood 🤣

Peerage is better than a knighthood. Knighthood doesn’t get you in the HoL with all the free money for turning up. Maybe I only deserve a knighthood, though being the first Uni generation and being reasonably good at her job seems to have got Owen into the House.

BestIsWest · 10/01/2025 22:38

So I qualify as first in the family - and gran’s loo was at the bottom of the garden. They did have one of those hot water gas geysers in the kitchen though. And my mother’s house had no electricity until she was 16.
Baroness Best of the West it shall be.

RafaistheKingofClay · 10/01/2025 23:04

Apparently reform only have 50 councillors so 12 is 24% of them.

I might hold off on placing that bet on Farage being the next PM.

PickAChew · 10/01/2025 23:06

He has plenty of time to dissolve Reform and start a new business party reflecting the latest zeitgeist.

DuncinToffee · 11/01/2025 11:08

Why did Liz Truss send Keir Starmer a letter?

https://bsky.app/profile/mattgreencomedy.com/post/3lffor62mjk2p

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Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 11/01/2025 11:11

Noticed this on the BBC today.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgmy7xpw3pyo
I'm very uncomfortable with this. While I do think that some diversity programmes go too far (and almost feel like social engineering), I fear this could simply become a charter to avoid recruiting people you 'don't like the look of'. This just feels like a step backwards rather than trying to find a happy medium.

Piggywaspushed · 11/01/2025 11:14

I think a lot of things are going backwards. They are all, after all, run by white, wealthy men, so there's that...

Piggywaspushed · 11/01/2025 11:17

I mainly find it alarming how scared these big business are of Trump's government.

And DEI has become a dirty word. Look at parts of MN and you can see that.

Overton windows... they are not just shifting. They are being taken out and put on a whole other building.

DuncinToffee · 11/01/2025 11:19

Zuckerberg is far up the orange one's back side

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SerendipityJane · 11/01/2025 11:22

Farages problem is navigating the very narrow waters he steered himself into as a figurehead for the nemesis of unelected bureaucrats interfering in British politics. The people he needs to add to the current Reform caucus will have a little bit more critical thinking going on and will be very aware of the contradictions and possible hypocrisy about sucking on Musks cock while simultaneously telling us the evils of sucking foreign cock.

It would help Farages cause an awful lot if Musk just went and bought himself a UK citizenship. Which (of course) is the one thing Musk has fuck all intention of doing, since it would place him (a) on the US naughty step, and (b) make him potentially liable to UK laws.

In fact if any bookies are offering odds on Musk not becoming a UK citizen, I'd be surprised. It's a dead cert.

I'm thinking the next few years will (or should, if anyone wants to hire me) see media outlets starting to use AI to generate not only questions, but exchanges with politicians. Because although as we all know AI is totally shite, the companies pushing it can't admit it. So when the BBC, or CBS, or whoever starts explicitly and publicly using it, they will have to just not and say it's a natural application for their products - especially when wrangled by experts.

So we could see ChatGPT highlighting the dichotomy I opened this post with.

Meantime, there will be a counter movement of real people deploying their grasp of language and knowledge to limit interactions with real people rather than the cheaper simplistic cutandpastabots. If for no other reason than we know how to use capital letters and punctation.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 11/01/2025 11:22

I find it interesting that while there is a perception that the real power in the world lies in the hands of these very large corporations, their unwillingness to stand up to Trump would seem to suggest otherwise.
Or maybe they've been waiting for the loon to come in so they can do what they really wanted to anyway...

DuncinToffee · 11/01/2025 11:29

Useful fool

https://bsky.app/profile/politico.eu/post/3lfhjm26eik2p

The U.S. government under incoming President Donald Trump should intervene to stop the EU from fining American tech companies for breaching antitrust rules and other violations, Meta chief exec Mark Zuckerberg said late Friday.

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SerendipityJane · 11/01/2025 11:31

I mainly find it alarming how scared these big business are of Trump's government.

Because it makes them money. If there was money to be made in not being afraid of Trump ...

We all need to remember that the ultimate destination of cronyism is failure. Either internally, as regimes collapse. Or externally as regimes are attacked. And collapse.

Generally things tend to self-right although the hysteresis is a pain. If it's any consolation every empire under the sun has always ended in collapse. And it's telling that with rather predictable Teutonic efficiency the Nazis did it in 22 years. Makes the Romans look positively glacial by comparison.

DuncinToffee · 11/01/2025 12:39

Going by some of the threads that have been started over the last week, I can see why fact checking has to go.......

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ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 12:44

I've reported two seemingly brand new posters, one yesterday and one today and said I don't think they're genuine given the inflammatory stuff they're posting. The one yesterday had her posts to me deleted as personal attacks.

bombastix · 11/01/2025 13:00

I can see that corporate firms will drop DEI, environmental commitments etc like hot bricks. If nothing else the perception will be that running these programmes will no longer be useful and a cost they do not need to incur.

It was probably the case that all of these corporations had to shoe DEI or environmental policies to obtain contracts from government in the US. Now Trump is in, not only is not going to be any kind of advantage any more, it may actually be a disadvantage and not something a government or corporation is willing to pay for on a contract. Instead it's seen as a cost and or discriminatory. So the US is deregulating in effect. And their economy is growing much faster than ours.

This will have significant effects on the EU/UK where we are still committed to ESG or DEI as part of corporate life. But the UK is too small really to insist on these standards; so we have a choice as to whether to align with the US or the EU or have a hybrid approach.

If you are looking for growth, facts are the US is doing much better than the EU. And we should expect a bonfire of regulation when Trump actually comes in.

Btw not saying the fact the EU/UK have poor growth is all attributed to ESG and DEI; but this the right's policy and I expect it to have traction.

PandoraSox · 11/01/2025 13:49

ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 12:44

I've reported two seemingly brand new posters, one yesterday and one today and said I don't think they're genuine given the inflammatory stuff they're posting. The one yesterday had her posts to me deleted as personal attacks.

I have given up on reporting. There was a poster who was really crossing the line with her posts on Islam. I reported but nothing. A few posts later she revealed she is a big Yaxley-Lennon supporter.

The site is becoming a far right cess pit. (And for the lurkers, no, by far right I don't mean Tories who disagree with me. I mean the Yaxley-Lennon supporters. I mean the people who post hate about Muslims. I mean the people who post anti-semitic conspiracy theories).

DuncinToffee · 11/01/2025 13:55

It's whack-a-mole. They disappear with the thread and another pops up

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ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 13:59

The one I reported this morning is now showing clear signs of being deranged.

DuncinToffee · 11/01/2025 14:00

I noticed that and reported as well

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BIossomtoes · 11/01/2025 14:11

DuncinToffee · 11/01/2025 14:00

I noticed that and reported as well

Same.

bombastix · 11/01/2025 14:30

It's all hatred of Islam, Muslims are rapists, medieval culture and compulsory reparations.

That is about what the BNP used to peddle, except these days they don't say repatriation explicitly. But that is what is meant.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2025 14:32

If you are looking for growth, facts are the US is doing much better than the EU.

They make a desert and call it a peace

ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 14:34

bombastix · 11/01/2025 14:30

It's all hatred of Islam, Muslims are rapists, medieval culture and compulsory reparations.

That is about what the BNP used to peddle, except these days they don't say repatriation explicitly. But that is what is meant.

And we've even got expressions of support for Nick Griffin now. 🤮

PandoraSox · 11/01/2025 14:41

ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 14:34

And we've even got expressions of support for Nick Griffin now. 🤮

Yep. Vile.

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