Is it moral to leave tribes alone in the modern world?

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/dec/22/exclusive-photographs-reveal-first-glimpse-of-uncontacted-amazon-community-massaco

Never really understood the reluctance for more intervention with remote people when they are citizens of Brazil and are therefore under the same laws as the rest of the Brazilian populace, have the same right to healthcare, education etc. Also they should have the right to vote in Brazil's democrqcy.

It just feels like a human zoo and sits badly with me.....

Why. It could well be a matriarchal society in that area

Yes could be. Probably not though.

Pattern recognition.

Surely our world is not so great, that we would want to force it upon tribes who are quite happy in their own lives.Throughout the years ,Missionaries ,Explorers and so much interference from the west has not ended well.The best thing we can do is to let them live peaceful lives .They would be scared of unknown forces anyway

I agree. At least I've got very mixed feelings here.

If I lived in that community, my daughter would have died, and it would have been a horrible death. Modern medicine and complex surgeries saved her. The idea that she'd have been condemned to death, without even being aware that she could have been saved is awful.

Then again, would I have even had her? Vision problems mean that I'm pretty much partially sighted without glasses. I wouldn't have been able to work, would struggle to safely raise kids, cook independently etc. What sort of life would I have had without glasses?

Equally, the death rates from viruses brought in is seemingly horrific and that outweighs everything I've put here really. There's no point saving people from curable conditions if you kill most to begin with.

I was expecting someone to come with taliban.
Others kind of made Taliban by trying to occupy, change, etc while someone else sid nkt want them to and helped with funding against etc.
So yes, stuffing "non savage" nation noses in dis not work really, did it

Can you tell us more about pattern regocnition you mean here in South American tribes?

Yes it's moral to leave them - and their territory- alone.

Brazil has plenty of abused and impoverished children that the government can assist before it needs to be wondering about the children of this tribe.

There may well be disturbing practices in these communities,
for example how are disabled babies treated? Do they practice infanticide? Very complex issues could arise. See for example dsq-sds.org/index.php/dsq/article/view/8443/6293

Ohfook You are so right ,Consumerism is killing us slowly . If people in tribes are less stressed they will be less likely to carry out murders ,crime and so on .I read of a tribe (cant remember where) who had been "westernised" and they have now become hooked on porn sites! This is not an improvement"! In our world we are very stressed with 2 parents working FT .Working up to retirement ,then often tired and still looking after GC! Depression is rife (I wonder why!)

The sort of medical care your daughter received is out of reach for most Brazilians (well most of the world really) so is hardly a reason to disrupt these people's lives. Millions are lost each year to things that are easily treatable but that the world community cant/won't treat. Why add to that number, what really would we offer?

I'm sure if they requested 'help' from the government of their country they would be granted it but living in such remote areas is their choice and they absolutely should be left alone.

Anyone can choose to remove themselves from modern society and live a remote life away from modern amenities if they wish. If you want access to healthcare etc. it is up to you to access it, not for the gov. to bring it to you and force it on you.

Can you ever have two levels of law in a state. One of the fundamental principles of a modern democracy like ours is that we are all equal under law.

You would therefore imho have to enact Brazilian law if a tribesman killed another. Once discoverd surely some interaction has to happen.

We also have the fact that there has been some awful behaviour amongst tribes world wide and historically in Europe....human sacrifice, burning witches at the stake etc.

If some of the tribes judicial systems is against all the norms of other socities surely someone has to step in. I don't think you can sacrifice human rights for the sake of respecting culture.

Can you tell us more about pattern regocnition you mean here in South American tribes?

They're human, are they not?

What's so great?
Erm, antibiotics?...

Yes it is moral. They have very little immunity due to lack of exposure to all our diseases/viruses and, historically, once ‘we’ make contact, they all start dying of chickenpox, measles and other illnesses to which we’ve been inoculated to or built up immunity… they, their children especially, die.

Absolutely should leave them be.

I see what you mean. If a child or woman's being abused they don't have access to police or social services.

Yeah, because the western justice system is perfect, isn't it? 🙄

You're sounding incredibly racist here.

They are probably healthier than the majority of us as their food isn’t processed and had chemicals added to it in the way ours has. Their bodies will be immune to the illnesses and diseases in their environment as ours are to our environment. It would only be injury perhaps that they might need assistance with or perhaps antibiotics occasionally.

These people still live sustainable lives with nature and perhaps we should be looking at how to live more like them than visa versa. Remember that the majority of us have had generations growing alongside western civilisations and developing systems alongside it. It doesn’t work well to just pull a indigenous culture into it and expect them to change their whole way of life. They would have to want that.

It's so incredibly arrogant to assume that our way of life is a) better than theirs and b) anything they'd be remotely interested in adopting in the first place.

A lot of these responses make me incredibly uncomfortable - talking about western morals, western justice and a western way of life like it's automatically better than anything anyone else could come up with. You can't impose the morals and legalities of our society onto theirs - it's totally wrong.

100%

@mids2019 why are you so concerned with interfering on behalf of other groups and cultures?
On your other thread your want to change how organisations celebrate Christmas because you have decided it's offensive (nobody else seems to have any issues) and now this!

Awful behaviour is available to any human, no matter what their belief or where they live. You only have to watch the news, or listen to other people to know this.
With ‘modern’ living comes problems - viruses, diseases, theft, lies, sexual crime, murder etc etc. I could go on, but I think you must get the idea OP.

Off you go then @mids2019

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1793303/island-tribe-remote-india-tourist

Did you not read the part about the fact that before the government's adopted a policy of non-contact, 90% of tribespeople died shortly after contact?

leave them alone

I imagine there's going to be a fortnight of this sort of thing site wide until the Freshers go back..