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Signed off yet work are contacting me

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ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 15:35

I’m signed off. Work are emailing me about things that I said I would hand over before the end of my employment. Meaning in my time. Manager has emailed and text me. I’m actually seeing it as borderline harassing me now.

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ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 20:08

EasterIssland · 17/12/2024 20:07

No. Op is signed off by a doctor not to work. So they’re not obliged to do anything work related

Literally this. I could easily ring HR and remind them of their policy. I shouldn’t need to be contacted this frequently

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Hesonlyakidharry · 17/12/2024 20:10

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 20:08

I went above and beyond and planned lessons for all year groups and sent it in. Then I got a text on weds and thuds and Friday and an email about silly things. Then again today an email and text. I went above and beyond for them and literally said I’ll give handover before the term ends. Essentially saying wait till I’m ready but you will have it. I’m not unreliable in that way. But no, annoyingly it’s been left on bad terms. Sad for me as I have so so much time for my students and they knew this. But the way things were handled made me literally near lose the plot and I had to take time to get myself toget her again

Nearly lost the plot? Because you messed up calling in sick leaving everyone in the lurch, you were then too scared to return to work and thought about quitting and then a kid chucked a book and you went home in tears and decided to quit… which you’d clearly planned to do anyway. Then you went on the sick but you’re claiming on here that you’ve done all the necessary work for handover. Sorry, not sure I believe it.

Startingagainandagain · 17/12/2024 20:12

Email whoever is harassing you and copy HR into it.

Remind them that you are currently not fit to work and that their constant attempt to contact you is causing you distress and that you expect this to stop.

State that you have already provided a handover and will be happy to provide necessary information that might be outstanding when you feel you have recovered.

Then ignore them until you are mentally and physically able to deal with this.

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 20:14

Hesonlyakidharry · 17/12/2024 20:10

Nearly lost the plot? Because you messed up calling in sick leaving everyone in the lurch, you were then too scared to return to work and thought about quitting and then a kid chucked a book and you went home in tears and decided to quit… which you’d clearly planned to do anyway. Then you went on the sick but you’re claiming on here that you’ve done all the necessary work for handover. Sorry, not sure I believe it.

I don’t think you understand the concept of mental health and the notion that this was not a single isolated incident that I was expected to handle.

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GluggleJuggle · 17/12/2024 20:17

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 20:05

In teaching references are given early. I have given timely handover.

But when you leave that job they will want that employer and the previous one and they may just contact any previous school that you have worked at even if they are not given as references.

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 20:20

GluggleJuggle · 17/12/2024 20:17

But when you leave that job they will want that employer and the previous one and they may just contact any previous school that you have worked at even if they are not given as references.

That’s fine. I have given timely information as requested.

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EnidSpyton · 17/12/2024 20:37

@ThePerkyCoralPoet Term ends this week.

If you said you would complete a full handover before the end of term, and have not yet done so, I'm not surprised you're being contacted by the school to confirm when you will complete your handover. You say you've done all the major things, but there are other elements that you think are unimportant that have not been handed over yet. If the school is contacting you for these final bits of information, they clearly don't see them as being unimportant. They are part of the handover you confirmed to them you would complete by the end of term, and so you are being unreasonable in not sending them what you promised.

You can't say you'll do something, not do it, and then expect your workplace to not follow it up.

Honestly, and I mean this kindly, I think perhaps your judgement is being impaired by your mental health. Just send the stuff they want. Then they've got what they need and they don't need to contact you again. Why string things out? Contacting HR and the union and so on is ridiculously inflammatory and will take up far more time and energy than just sending them the remainder of the information.

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 20:50

EnidSpyton · 17/12/2024 20:37

@ThePerkyCoralPoet Term ends this week.

If you said you would complete a full handover before the end of term, and have not yet done so, I'm not surprised you're being contacted by the school to confirm when you will complete your handover. You say you've done all the major things, but there are other elements that you think are unimportant that have not been handed over yet. If the school is contacting you for these final bits of information, they clearly don't see them as being unimportant. They are part of the handover you confirmed to them you would complete by the end of term, and so you are being unreasonable in not sending them what you promised.

You can't say you'll do something, not do it, and then expect your workplace to not follow it up.

Honestly, and I mean this kindly, I think perhaps your judgement is being impaired by your mental health. Just send the stuff they want. Then they've got what they need and they don't need to contact you again. Why string things out? Contacting HR and the union and so on is ridiculously inflammatory and will take up far more time and energy than just sending them the remainder of the information.

I’ve done it all. Sent everything I needed to. I said I’d be in contact before the end of the term. I’m signed off by my doctor so technically when I say I’ll get back I mean it. I’m reliable but I’m just not in a great place right now.

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TortolaParadise · 17/12/2024 20:51

Fulmarinepetrel · 17/12/2024 16:00

People are disorganised and sometimes a bit crazy. I actually took retirement and some manager left a voicemail on my mobile the following Monday morning saying, "The staff meeting is about to start and YOU ARE NOT HERE."

Edited

Did you pop in? 😰

FrannyScraps · 17/12/2024 21:14

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 18:25

Actually, I’m very resilient. But at the point a book is thrown in my direction. I’m not going to tolerate it. It’s unnecessary and requires sanctions. References are done very early on in teaching roles. I’ve sucked it up. I’m not being awkward. I’m being exactly as I should be. You’ve been given brief handover. You should only be contacting me once per week via email. Not email and text. That’s unnecessary.

Ah I realise I remember your previous thread now. Honestly, you have to admit you've have indeed been beey difficult about this whole situation.

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 21:18

FrannyScraps · 17/12/2024 21:14

Ah I realise I remember your previous thread now. Honestly, you have to admit you've have indeed been beey difficult about this whole situation.

Don’t think so. They got more out of me than most would give. A fully planned sequence of learning for the remainder of time in off with lessons for all classes, the curriculum plan for other classes (that’s not even my job I’m literally a class teacher) and brief handover than I specifically said I would follow up on. That’s not awkward. That’s just me being off sick and these things that they want are minor but are nuanced at the same time and need time to go through.

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Fulmarinepetrel · 17/12/2024 21:22

TortolaParadise · 17/12/2024 20:51

Did you pop in? 😰

😂😂😂

FrannyScraps · 17/12/2024 21:23

It would be even less awkward if you were there to teach? You said the book didn't hit you or probably wasn't even intended to hit you but 'it might have'.

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 21:25

FrannyScraps · 17/12/2024 21:23

It would be even less awkward if you were there to teach? You said the book didn't hit you or probably wasn't even intended to hit you but 'it might have'.

Where has that been said. It actually did hit me. It supposedly wasn’t “meant to” hit me. If it didn’t hit me why would I be away? I’d be at work. You can’t expect someone to go to work and tolerate things being thrown at them. Whether it’s on purpose or not. It’s just not okay.

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WearyAuldWumman · 17/12/2024 21:32

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 21:25

Where has that been said. It actually did hit me. It supposedly wasn’t “meant to” hit me. If it didn’t hit me why would I be away? I’d be at work. You can’t expect someone to go to work and tolerate things being thrown at them. Whether it’s on purpose or not. It’s just not okay.

You're not going to win this one, OP. In my experience, any time a teacher is hit - whether directly by the pupil or by a missile - it's very rarely deliberate...at least not by the time the pupil is questioned by management.

In fact, it's usually the teacher's fault for "getting in the way". I've never heard of this type of reasoning being used in any other type of workplace.

There was a case in Scotland where a teacher was actually stabbed in the neck by a boy wielding a sharpened pencil. When the case was discussed on FB, there were people claiming that the boy must have been provoked. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-45940788

Police

Teenager charged over attack on teacher in Lochgelly

The teacher was reportedly stabbed in the neck with a pencil in the incident which happened in Lochgelly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-45940788

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 21:33

WearyAuldWumman · 17/12/2024 21:32

You're not going to win this one, OP. In my experience, any time a teacher is hit - whether directly by the pupil or by a missile - it's very rarely deliberate...at least not by the time the pupil is questioned by management.

In fact, it's usually the teacher's fault for "getting in the way". I've never heard of this type of reasoning being used in any other type of workplace.

There was a case in Scotland where a teacher was actually stabbed in the neck by a boy wielding a sharpened pencil. When the case was discussed on FB, there were people claiming that the boy must have been provoked. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-45940788

Again. If you read the response. It’s not about it being deliberate. No one should have stuff thrown at them. Simple.

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EmmaMaria · 17/12/2024 21:35

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 21:25

Where has that been said. It actually did hit me. It supposedly wasn’t “meant to” hit me. If it didn’t hit me why would I be away? I’d be at work. You can’t expect someone to go to work and tolerate things being thrown at them. Whether it’s on purpose or not. It’s just not okay.

No it isn't ok. But you do not appear to be resilient enough for teaching. You have a whole thread about how offended you were that a manager didn't stop the meeting they were in when you SAW them in a meeting, knocked on the door anyway, and were not permitted to interupt. In any workplace you don't interupt a meeting for anything less than an emergency. You take offence very easily and you appear to ladle out blame to everyone else. A couple of text messages asking about essential (in your eyes "unimportant") information which they need because you flounced off sick for the emtire of your notice period is - to you - harassment.

Sorry but you really need to toughen up.

And by the way - references are not done "very early on". That would breach all the regulations about teaching references. References must be current and up to date; and that's not even going to the "making a phone call" place.

Regradless of that, please think carefully about your next role, because I don't think you are suited to teaching.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/12/2024 21:35

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 21:33

Again. If you read the response. It’s not about it being deliberate. No one should have stuff thrown at them. Simple.

I agree.

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 21:41

EmmaMaria · 17/12/2024 21:35

No it isn't ok. But you do not appear to be resilient enough for teaching. You have a whole thread about how offended you were that a manager didn't stop the meeting they were in when you SAW them in a meeting, knocked on the door anyway, and were not permitted to interupt. In any workplace you don't interupt a meeting for anything less than an emergency. You take offence very easily and you appear to ladle out blame to everyone else. A couple of text messages asking about essential (in your eyes "unimportant") information which they need because you flounced off sick for the emtire of your notice period is - to you - harassment.

Sorry but you really need to toughen up.

And by the way - references are not done "very early on". That would breach all the regulations about teaching references. References must be current and up to date; and that's not even going to the "making a phone call" place.

Regradless of that, please think carefully about your next role, because I don't think you are suited to teaching.

You’ve made your point. But you’re completely ignoring what I’ve said. Have I handed over- YES. Did I do more than what I was expected to YES. I think from your naive responses you don’t teach. Regardless of your profession, you should not have to take any object being thrown in your direction. Whether it’s deliberate or not. Resilience doesn’t equate to tolerating that kind of nonsense. You are just not listening. It’s also unlikely you’re in this profession. It’s difficult enough as it is. No one and I repeat, no one should tolerate shit being thrown. I don’t think you’re suited to commenting when you’re just disregarding the aforementioned facts and creating your own narrative.

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WearyAuldWumman · 17/12/2024 21:41

The point I'm making, @ThePerkyCoralPoet is that it's very rare that any pupil will admit that they meant to hit a teacher - even when we know that it was deliberate - and that management and others are always far too ready to excuse it. As you say, however, there should be no endangerment in a work environment at all.

The link that I posted was an extreme case, but even then excuses were made for the teenager responsible.

It's always "Oh, it was just..."

LIZS · 17/12/2024 21:42

Is this to your personal email or work one and phone?

ThePerkyCoralPoet · 17/12/2024 21:43

LIZS · 17/12/2024 21:42

Is this to your personal email or work one and phone?

Personal phone and work email.

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CantHoldMeDown · 17/12/2024 21:45

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/12/2024 21:47

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

My school still had that policy in place in 2018 when I retired from my management role. I can't speak for right now.

LIZS · 17/12/2024 21:48

Personal phone and work email.

Put an auto reply on the email stating you are on sick leave and the messages are not monitored then stop logging in. Block the school number.