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EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 19:55

DD is 13 with special needs; she’s a lovely, funny, witty, intelligent child but her anxiety is destroying us both, and taking our relationship with it.

I don’t know how much more I can take; I’ve never suffered with mental health problems but I’m starting to have mild panic attacks (chest getting tight, feeling like I’m going to explode with anger). I can be fine one moment and the issue will come up and it makes me want to explode. I’m being deliberately vague as it’s a very specific issue.

I’m currently hiding in my room whilst she is in hers shouting and screaming because she needs me to complete her “rituals” with her (her specific routine, completed to an impossibly high standard). I’ve already done it with her, except I haven’t done it well enough so she’s now having a meltdown. I need to go back and do it until she’s happy with the standard.

I asked her for 15 minutes break to get my head together, because I find the whole thing exhausting and draining, but that’s not ok, because she wants it done NOW! Otherwise I’ve ruined her whole evening.

But when I say I’m ready to do it, she then messes about preparing for the ritual and just expects me to wait around until she’s ready for me to do it. It always has to be done on her time and her terms. I’ve started revolting and saying no, I will do it when I’m ready to, because it takes so much of my emotional energy, but she doesn’t let up so I end up giving in.

Not doing it is not an option, it causes severe emotional distress. She’s getting help but it’s not working. She was medicated for the anxiety but it made her so poorly, she had to stop it. I asked for more support from mental health services and was added to a six year waiting list.

I can’t take much more. We have to go through this 4 times or more, every single day. Sometimes it can take 10 minutes, other times it can take 90 minutes. It can only be me who does it. It costs a small fortune to help with the issue, it’s time consuming and all consuming for us both. She complains if I haven’t done it right. Every . Single . Time. She measures and compares to make sure it’s exactly how she wants things. It must be torture for her, but it’s also seriously affecting me.

It’s been like this for many years but something is changing inside me and not for the better. She says I’m always in a mood , which is true because I’m exhausted. I can’t fucking take it anymore! I’m physically poorly myself and even if I’m in so much pain that I can’t get out of bed, I HAVE to do this . Repeatedly. Until she’s happy. We both get annoyed and upset and then we both feel like total shit afterwards. She doesn’t understand how much it’s affecting me and when I tell her, she feels worse. I can’t help it though, I don’t have the same empathy I had when this started 5 years ago.

I have two other children with special needs, one of which also has high care needs. DH is great, but it has to be me.

Nobody can do anything, I just needed a space to vent. My child thinks I hate her. I hate myself for the way I feel but I am like a slave to her needs. I wish I could take it away from her.

Whilst typing this, I’ve had to go back and do it again. It’s still not right so now she wants me to do the whole thing for a third time. She says I’m not doing it right because I’m in a mood. Yet the actual problem is because she can see something so minute that it’s not perfect. I admit I have minimal patience these days.

Another break in typing and I’ve had to go and do it a 4th time. She’s still not happy and it’s my fault because I’m “in a mood” and when I’m in a mood, I get cross and don’t do it right .

I’ve lost my temper and I feel awful but I’m losing all empathy after years of the same thing.

I’m sorry for the long post. I just needed to write it down. Thanks for listening.

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Zapx · 10/12/2024 20:08

Good grief OP that sounds awful. Are you after suggestions or commiserations? I’m so so sorry you’re going through this..

Jean24601Valjean · 10/12/2024 20:14

This sounds absolutely awful and unbearable. It's completely understandable to feel the way you do. I wish I could say more to help.

EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 20:24

@Zapx I don’t know, even just a response was nice enough, thank you. There’s not a soul in real life I can talk to about this.

I’ve just managed to calm her down and have come away to try and get five minutes to process myself and now other DC wants me to sit with them and play with them. Of course I will but I feel like I just can’t breathe with all of the demands .

@Jean24601Valjean Thank you. Just a reply is so nice .

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LoveItaly · 10/12/2024 20:25

I’m so sorry that I don’t have any words of advice, but you sound like a wonderful mother dealing with an intolerable situation. I hope that you manage to find help soon, as it’s clearly severely damaging your happiness and that of your daughter, as well as your other family members.

minmooch · 10/12/2024 20:27

I'm so sorry @EndOfWits this sounds exhausting and frustrating for everyone.

Is your DD getting any professional help for her OCD?

Baublingalong · 10/12/2024 20:37

I would go kill or cure and plead for residential support for her either through medical channels or through family to give you both a clean break from the codependency.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 10/12/2024 20:40

Oh you poor poor love, this sounds like actual hell.

A couple of thoughts (and my apologies if I'm talking rubbish as I'm sure you've tried everything).

I imagine it's nigh on impossible to "escape" the rituals but do you know what would happen if you weren't there?

Or what would happen if you flat out refused or said you're only doing it the once? Does it make her happy if it's done right?

Is there any room for negotiation with her?

(You've probably answered all these questions in the time I've typed this)

EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 20:44

@LoveItaly I definitely don’t feel like a wonderful mother. I’ve lost my temper tonight (again) and told her she is draining me. I’ve apologised to her and explained that I don’t have an infinite amount of patience because it’s also exhausting for me. I think her special needs mean that her understanding of others perspectives are very limited.

@minmooch She did have help but then was discharged because the medication made her so poorly we were told there was nothing else to be done. We were then added to a long waiting list. I’ve been looking for some support privately but the issue is so specific, I’m not sure where to turn.

@Baublingalong DD would not meet the threshold for residential and we have no family or friends to help.

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Newuser75 · 10/12/2024 20:45

I'm so sorry to hear you are having such an awful time.
My son went through a stage of doing ocd type behaviours (no where near as extreme as your situation) and it has taken 2 years but I think we are pretty much sorted now.
It's soul destroying to see your child suffering and what you describe sounds horrific for all involved.
I have no advice, only solidarity. I feel for you and I hope you can get some useful support!

Baublingalong · 10/12/2024 20:45

I would have thought her carer/parent breaking down and being unable to continue would go someway to meeting the criteria wouldn't it? Can you ring her care team tomorrow and just tell them what you've written here and break down on them as you sound so utterly defeated. This isn't sustainable for either of you.

ReallyShouldBeDoingSomethingElse · 10/12/2024 20:46

There are specific programmes of therapy for managing OCD. Is it this specifically you're on a waiting list for?

Also did the ritual issue come on fairly suddenly (even if the anxiety predated it?). Sudden onset OCD is the main symptom of Pandas which is a post Strep A condition and treatable with a course of antibiotics.

Aside from that, sending support and some understanding from another parent dealing with a child with MH issues.

EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 20:49

@CharlotteStreetW1 Thank you, even a reply is nice to see. If I wasn’t there, she would
wait until I walked through the door to have them done. She would simply not leave the house for school and would become extremely distressed. I have tried previously to say no and it was not pleasant or safe. I know you didn’t mean this, but to explain, it’s not something she can just ‘get over’ and will relax in a few days of cold turkey. It’s a very specific all consuming thing which would impact our jobs, home and other DC.

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Resilienceisimportant · 10/12/2024 20:50

EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 19:55

DD is 13 with special needs; she’s a lovely, funny, witty, intelligent child but her anxiety is destroying us both, and taking our relationship with it.

I don’t know how much more I can take; I’ve never suffered with mental health problems but I’m starting to have mild panic attacks (chest getting tight, feeling like I’m going to explode with anger). I can be fine one moment and the issue will come up and it makes me want to explode. I’m being deliberately vague as it’s a very specific issue.

I’m currently hiding in my room whilst she is in hers shouting and screaming because she needs me to complete her “rituals” with her (her specific routine, completed to an impossibly high standard). I’ve already done it with her, except I haven’t done it well enough so she’s now having a meltdown. I need to go back and do it until she’s happy with the standard.

I asked her for 15 minutes break to get my head together, because I find the whole thing exhausting and draining, but that’s not ok, because she wants it done NOW! Otherwise I’ve ruined her whole evening.

But when I say I’m ready to do it, she then messes about preparing for the ritual and just expects me to wait around until she’s ready for me to do it. It always has to be done on her time and her terms. I’ve started revolting and saying no, I will do it when I’m ready to, because it takes so much of my emotional energy, but she doesn’t let up so I end up giving in.

Not doing it is not an option, it causes severe emotional distress. She’s getting help but it’s not working. She was medicated for the anxiety but it made her so poorly, she had to stop it. I asked for more support from mental health services and was added to a six year waiting list.

I can’t take much more. We have to go through this 4 times or more, every single day. Sometimes it can take 10 minutes, other times it can take 90 minutes. It can only be me who does it. It costs a small fortune to help with the issue, it’s time consuming and all consuming for us both. She complains if I haven’t done it right. Every . Single . Time. She measures and compares to make sure it’s exactly how she wants things. It must be torture for her, but it’s also seriously affecting me.

It’s been like this for many years but something is changing inside me and not for the better. She says I’m always in a mood , which is true because I’m exhausted. I can’t fucking take it anymore! I’m physically poorly myself and even if I’m in so much pain that I can’t get out of bed, I HAVE to do this . Repeatedly. Until she’s happy. We both get annoyed and upset and then we both feel like total shit afterwards. She doesn’t understand how much it’s affecting me and when I tell her, she feels worse. I can’t help it though, I don’t have the same empathy I had when this started 5 years ago.

I have two other children with special needs, one of which also has high care needs. DH is great, but it has to be me.

Nobody can do anything, I just needed a space to vent. My child thinks I hate her. I hate myself for the way I feel but I am like a slave to her needs. I wish I could take it away from her.

Whilst typing this, I’ve had to go back and do it again. It’s still not right so now she wants me to do the whole thing for a third time. She says I’m not doing it right because I’m in a mood. Yet the actual problem is because she can see something so minute that it’s not perfect. I admit I have minimal patience these days.

Another break in typing and I’ve had to go and do it a 4th time. She’s still not happy and it’s my fault because I’m “in a mood” and when I’m in a mood, I get cross and don’t do it right .

I’ve lost my temper and I feel awful but I’m losing all empathy after years of the same thing.

I’m sorry for the long post. I just needed to write it down. Thanks for listening.

That sounds really really hard and you sounds like a brilliant mum.

I’m sorry if this suggestion is completely daft or not accurate but reading your post reminded me of something. I was listening to LBC and Rachel Johnson was talking about her mum who had one of the worst cases of OCD the doctors had seen before it was a diagnosis.

So the point is, her mother had loads of therapy but found one of the only things that helped was art. So she painted as an inpatient and said it was instrumental in helping.

Again apologies if this is stupid or not related but you said rituals so it reminded me of this.

i wish you all the very best. Big hugs to you.

OttersAreMySpiritAnimal · 10/12/2024 20:51

May I ask if a professional has advised you to complete the ritual? I've lived almost my entire adult life with someone who has poor mental health and in my experience enabling the behaviour reinforces it. If I had known this earlier I would have done things a bit differently.
I do understand that not doing the ritual has consequences, as long as these are not life threatening I think you should consider just stopping or reducing the enabling. There are also tactics like delaying and redirecting. I'm not an expert so I can't give you decent examples unfortunately.
I think you should try and find help aimed at you, not just her. You need advice on how best to proceed.
Does your or you DHs workplace have an employee assistance programme? You can access mental health services for yourself through them if so, and it will be completely confidential. Failing that they reaching out to Mind, or there's likely to be carers groups in your area where you can get support.
I really feel for you, sending hugs.

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · 10/12/2024 20:52

Please be kinder to yourself.

You are allowed to lose your shit. You might be her mum. But you are only human and we all reach a point where other people's demands on us is simply too much and we snap.

I have posted about dh and his 16 yo dying under this username, his grief is all consuming and it becomes too much. I have lost my shit, at him and at my own dd for wanting something from me that I simply didn't have in me to give at that moment.

You are doing it tough!

.maybe if you share details then people here can offer more customised advice?

But ultimately don't punish yourself for not being perfect. None of us are. We are all winging it.

Just remember you have only been a parent as long as your eldest has been alive...and the instruction manual is always missing a shed tonne of pages.

Zapx · 10/12/2024 20:53

Without knowing what the ritual is it’s hard to know what might help, but a couple of things you could try (apologies if all of these are useless suggestions)

Setting a timer? You will be with her for five minutes, and after that you will not be free for another hour (might stop the pre-ritual waiting)

Get a list of what a “good enough” ritual is. So she writes it down. After that, as long as you’ve done that, you will not be repeating it.

Be out. Can’t do it with you if you’re not there. Does she wait for you?

Set a tick chart or something. You will do it twice a day, tick it off together, and you will not do it again until tomorrow.

it sounds absolutely awful and you sound like an amazing mum

EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 20:54

@Baublingalong You’ve made a good point. I think I’m so used to this being my normal that I’ve never thought of such a thing. Some days when it only takes 10 minutes or it’s only a slight battle, I feel it’s not such an issue. When we have days like today, where it’s repetitive and all consuming, I feel like I just can’t do it anymore. I think I’ve lost all sense of what is actually normal and what’s not.

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Patienceinshortsupply · 10/12/2024 20:55

I won't patronise you with advice when I know absolutely nothing about OCD/rituals. But your life sounds very hard, and I'm sorry you're feeling so physically and mentally run down with it all. 13 year old girls can be hard going at the best of times, let alone adding in special needs.

Just remember, you can't set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.

EmraldSky · 10/12/2024 20:56

This sounds so exhausting and difficult. big hugs to you. it sounds like youre battling with yourself in terms of harsh/gentle parenting given your DD's needs. i hope the situation improves for you soon x

Baublingalong · 10/12/2024 20:57

EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 20:54

@Baublingalong You’ve made a good point. I think I’m so used to this being my normal that I’ve never thought of such a thing. Some days when it only takes 10 minutes or it’s only a slight battle, I feel it’s not such an issue. When we have days like today, where it’s repetitive and all consuming, I feel like I just can’t do it anymore. I think I’ve lost all sense of what is actually normal and what’s not.

It's ok to feel like you do. You're human and you have little to no control or autonomy over your own life at the moment, you're allowed to feel like you've lost your centre. I hope you manage to get some RL support to find it again.

EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 20:57

@ReallyShouldBeDoingSomethingElse As mind boggling as it is to me, we’ve been told it’s not OCD, but severe anxiety. I’m sorry I’m being vague about the actual issue, but it’s very specific and somehow it didn’t meet the OCD criteria. However, I very much believe it is OCD related even though it’s just one specific ritual.

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Dearover · 10/12/2024 20:57

Yours is a heartbreaking read. You only have so much you can give. I agree that you should investigate whether there is any support for your own well-being via an employee assistance programme. I assume you've reached out to your own GP practice for help for yourself, not just your children. Best wishes. Scream, rant and do whatever you can to protect yourself.

BenditlikeBridget · 10/12/2024 20:58

What happened on the medication? I think I would be asking for a review of that- an alternative one, trialling a lower dose, a second drug to offset side effects etc? Cos this is making you both ill anyway.

leia24 · 10/12/2024 21:00

Is she under CAMHS? Do you have a social worker or a family support worker from early help?
When I've encountered similar before the CAMHS advice has actually been not to support it or do the routines because it makes it even more real for her and she sees other people believing in her anxiety/compulsions. It also gives her control where children need the adults in their lives to have the control and help to contain them. I'm by no means suggesting that's the answer right now or even that it's what a mental health specialist might advise you and definitely not something you should do cold turkey. Just there might be a light. Does she go to school?

Dinopoppypoops · 10/12/2024 21:00

Don't do the ritual. With these things it's best not to feed the obsession.