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EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 19:55

DD is 13 with special needs; she’s a lovely, funny, witty, intelligent child but her anxiety is destroying us both, and taking our relationship with it.

I don’t know how much more I can take; I’ve never suffered with mental health problems but I’m starting to have mild panic attacks (chest getting tight, feeling like I’m going to explode with anger). I can be fine one moment and the issue will come up and it makes me want to explode. I’m being deliberately vague as it’s a very specific issue.

I’m currently hiding in my room whilst she is in hers shouting and screaming because she needs me to complete her “rituals” with her (her specific routine, completed to an impossibly high standard). I’ve already done it with her, except I haven’t done it well enough so she’s now having a meltdown. I need to go back and do it until she’s happy with the standard.

I asked her for 15 minutes break to get my head together, because I find the whole thing exhausting and draining, but that’s not ok, because she wants it done NOW! Otherwise I’ve ruined her whole evening.

But when I say I’m ready to do it, she then messes about preparing for the ritual and just expects me to wait around until she’s ready for me to do it. It always has to be done on her time and her terms. I’ve started revolting and saying no, I will do it when I’m ready to, because it takes so much of my emotional energy, but she doesn’t let up so I end up giving in.

Not doing it is not an option, it causes severe emotional distress. She’s getting help but it’s not working. She was medicated for the anxiety but it made her so poorly, she had to stop it. I asked for more support from mental health services and was added to a six year waiting list.

I can’t take much more. We have to go through this 4 times or more, every single day. Sometimes it can take 10 minutes, other times it can take 90 minutes. It can only be me who does it. It costs a small fortune to help with the issue, it’s time consuming and all consuming for us both. She complains if I haven’t done it right. Every . Single . Time. She measures and compares to make sure it’s exactly how she wants things. It must be torture for her, but it’s also seriously affecting me.

It’s been like this for many years but something is changing inside me and not for the better. She says I’m always in a mood , which is true because I’m exhausted. I can’t fucking take it anymore! I’m physically poorly myself and even if I’m in so much pain that I can’t get out of bed, I HAVE to do this . Repeatedly. Until she’s happy. We both get annoyed and upset and then we both feel like total shit afterwards. She doesn’t understand how much it’s affecting me and when I tell her, she feels worse. I can’t help it though, I don’t have the same empathy I had when this started 5 years ago.

I have two other children with special needs, one of which also has high care needs. DH is great, but it has to be me.

Nobody can do anything, I just needed a space to vent. My child thinks I hate her. I hate myself for the way I feel but I am like a slave to her needs. I wish I could take it away from her.

Whilst typing this, I’ve had to go back and do it again. It’s still not right so now she wants me to do the whole thing for a third time. She says I’m not doing it right because I’m in a mood. Yet the actual problem is because she can see something so minute that it’s not perfect. I admit I have minimal patience these days.

Another break in typing and I’ve had to go and do it a 4th time. She’s still not happy and it’s my fault because I’m “in a mood” and when I’m in a mood, I get cross and don’t do it right .

I’ve lost my temper and I feel awful but I’m losing all empathy after years of the same thing.

I’m sorry for the long post. I just needed to write it down. Thanks for listening.

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Mozzarellaballs · 10/12/2024 21:03

This comment was on another new OCD thread.....OP, my youngest son has OCD and started taking fluoxetine a few weeks ago. I think his dose will probably be increased to 30mg at his next appointment. He's only 12 and hasn't been able to attend school since June. I was upset at the thought of him being on medication, but to be honest I now just want it to help because nothing else has so far. I'm on a Facebook group for parents of children with OCD and many of them have said that either fluoxetine or sertraline gave them their child back. But obviously the therapy is important too in teaching techniques to keep the OCD under control in the long term.

All the very bestFlowers It is a horrible illness. I had it myself as a teenager.

Smithhy · 10/12/2024 21:03

Has it always been four times a day you need to perform this ritual, or has it escalated?

Blanketenvy · 10/12/2024 21:05

EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 20:57

@ReallyShouldBeDoingSomethingElse As mind boggling as it is to me, we’ve been told it’s not OCD, but severe anxiety. I’m sorry I’m being vague about the actual issue, but it’s very specific and somehow it didn’t meet the OCD criteria. However, I very much believe it is OCD related even though it’s just one specific ritual.

I would have another diagnostic appointment. Anxiety isn't really a diagnosis. It might be generalised anxiety disorder or bdd or a phobia etc but with extended ritualised behaviour the treatment would be similar than for OCD so even if she doesn't meet the diagnostic threshold for OCD if you can afford to it would still be worth seeking out a private therapist, and they could also help you to be clearer about what is reasonable to expect of you.
Am sorry it sounds awful Flowers

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EndOfWits · 10/12/2024 21:11

I’m reading all the responses but struggling to keep up with individual replies in between the aftermath. I’m sorry if I’ve missed any questions.

Also, thank you so much to you all for listening . Your replies are really helping me see that this is actually a tough situation and I’m not really an awful mother.

The professionals we saw said that I do the ritual but to tell her in advance that we are only doing it twice and that will be it. We did do this and we weathered the storm, but it got to the point where the other DC were missing school and I was missing work because she would refuse to leave the house until she was satisfied. She can’t be left home alone so we were over a barrel. There was some improvement for a while when we ‘nailed it’ and the rituals were done in 10 minutes for quite a while. Then something changed and we’re heading back to the way it was. I therefore asked again for help but we were added to a waiting list.

It’s understanding what posters are saying about not feeding in to it, and I also know this. Although it’s so difficult to determine what will be a good day and what will be a bad day. When I have other DC to get to school, sometimes I think maybe if I just get it right this third time, then we can leave the house to get to school. Otherwise nobody is going anywhere including to work and school. It’s not fair to the other DC. Some days it’s ok because it’s only 10 minutes and I think we’ve resolved it , and other days like today, I’m at the end of my rope.

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Trinity69 · 10/12/2024 21:19

I don’t know anything about OCD but can relate as my son has PDA and it sounds very similar. His anxiety means things have to be done a certain way and if it’s wrong it will just go on and on until it’s done correctly. It can be so incredibly long and painful. Not doing it isn’t an option though. It must be done, nothing else can happen until it’s done. It’s such a hard situation to be in but as you know, all rooted in extremely high anxiety. You have my sympathy, believe me, I’ve lost my shit on numerous occasions.

Polecat07 · 10/12/2024 21:21

Was only one med tried and then given up on meds altogether?
It really really sounds like she should be medicated. There are loads of different prescription options for anxiety, you don't not get along with one and write the whole idea off. I know lots of people on their 4th or 5th pill before finding the one that works best for them (this is over a period of years, as you need to give them a good chunk of time to work).
It's normal to have side effects at first but they usually lessen pretty quickly.
Heart goes out to you OP, wishing you all the best.

GenghisCalm · 10/12/2024 21:25

You say that your daughter measures and compares. Is it possible to create a template?

If something needs to be in a certain position draw out the positions on a sheet of paper so then everything is in the correct position or if is time sensitive could you choreograph it even if there is no music you could keep time with the "beats".

GenghisCalm · 10/12/2024 21:26

The templates could then be used each time and may save having to re-do it until it is right.

Whineandcheese · 10/12/2024 21:27

This sounds very much like OCD - my MIL had it many years ago, before it was recognised by many doctors. My FIL enabled her and it just got worse.
She was actually struggling with depression and when she was medicated for this her OCD became less severe.
I really hope you can get the support you all need.

Lindos1 · 10/12/2024 22:14

No advice, but I'm in a similar-ish situation & it's like being trapped in hell. I do lots of screaming inside, & you feel like you cease to be a person because everything you do is serving another person's needs. It's also so so painful when it's your child & to watch them suffer.
If I have an outburst of anger every now & then it makes the situation worse, & I have to pick up the pieces, so it's more work for me. However I don't feel particularly guilty as I know I try my best in an awful situation.
I'm sorry I don't have any advice. Just solidarity. I hope you find something that helps...

winetimenow · 10/12/2024 22:19

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Fushia123 · 10/12/2024 23:00

Can you go to see your GP - just for you and your needs? If it is logged that your daughter’s situation is affecting your health, they may be able to refer you more quickly to agencies that could offer more specific help.
Your situation sounds extreme and very, very hard, especially with other children to care for too. You sound as though you have been very very patient so far. I have lots of patience but your situation would REALLY stretch me. Try to be gentle on yourself.

Elisheva · 10/12/2024 23:13

There is a specific therapeutic approach to tackle the rituals involved in OCD and similar behaviours, and it does involve not taking part in the rituals as it reinforces the child’s belief that they are necessary. However it is a multi step approach and needs to be properly managed. It involves the child slowly testing their belief of what might happen if they don’t complete the rituals until they ‘find out’ that it doesn’t happen.

ItsVeryComplicated · 10/12/2024 23:35

Hi OP,

I have a much milder form of the same situation here but no other children and no job to go to. I just look after my one DC all the time at home, doing intensive therapy with him.

One thing that I realised is that this period (13/14) is a little bit like a rerun of the toddler years, but with the huge anxiety of impending adulthood thrown in to the mix.

So my DS is very very afraid of growing up,without the skills to cope, but also has toddler tantrums as his young adult mind craves independence and control. It's the combination of these two things that makes it so hard.

I recently tried just standing back and refusing to do what was asked of me. The explosion was massive and prolonged, and repeated every day for three days. But after that, there was a calm, and then deep deep exhaustion.

Then in the days afterwards the message changed from "you have to do this" to "I have a problem". I think we've been going in a more positive direction since then. He's now just so so tired. But I think that is good and better than before.

I hear you loud and clear on the fact that you can't do this for your DD because you have other committments, and her problems are so intense. I wonder if there is any way that you could engineer a situation in which you could have that showdown and let her just blow her lid totally, and somehow keep her and you safe while she goes through it?

I don't know what you would need to have in place to make that safe, but it might be worth trying to make it work. It might just help her to get out of her endless loop.

I hear you on how hard you are working and you are doing a phenomenal job. If my suggestion isn't what you need then please feel free to ignore. I know you will get a ton of suggestions and you need to just grab the good ones and lose no time on the others. Please do ignore mine if it's not right for you.

Good luck there Flowers

QueenBee5678 · 10/12/2024 23:38

From one SEN mother to another. You're amazing. So am I. You're doing your best. I send you love and support and thank goodness your child has a supportive mum like you.

ItsVeryComplicated · 10/12/2024 23:38

Also my DC and I read this book and found it helpful. My DC especially enjoyed it.
Get Out of My Life: The bestselling guide to the twenty-first-century teenager

BlackCatsAreBrilliant · 10/12/2024 23:46

That sounds so tough for you all.

It may not be an option, but are there any other school parents you could ask to take your other DC to school on the occasions your DD is struggling? It doesn't help on the main issue, but it would get one thing off your list of worries.

PogDogsMagicKennel · 11/12/2024 01:52

Oh OP, sending a hug! You sound totally worn out.
Could I ask what the ritual is? Is it hair or something like that? I only ask as my Aunts girl had a insistence on a ritual that was to do with her hair, and as you say, it had to be “right” or there was a huge row. My Aunt did get her girl some therapy in the end and it did help, although the girl is still very regimented with her behaviour.
Strength to you all 🌸

EndOfWits · 11/12/2024 10:59

I passed out exhausted on the couch last night and I’ve just a chance now to respond.

Thank you to each and every one of you for responding. ALL of the advice has been very welcome and I’m also sorry to hear there are others going through this too.

I’m feeling a lot better today and I’ve made myself a list of things I need to do to push forward for a better referral rather than accepting the wait for services.

@PogDogsMagicKennel Sorry to hear your aunt’s daughter has had a tough time too. With my DD, it’s nothing to do with her hair or appearance, but a very specific expectation of something and the things we have to do to get there.

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