Reform UK rising in popularity with young men

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It's just being spoken about by Ben Kentish on LBC

Just about how Reform UK have a large following of 18-35 year old men. Specially men, not women.

Why is this? What's driving them?

The fact that some many young men voted for very far right leaders elsewhere in the western world is also being spoken about

So far, the opinion seems to be that it's because Reform UK are very active on TikTok/Instagram seems unlikely but I don't have a better idea

I personally know a few young men who are 'all for' Nigel Fanny but I don't understand the appeal, although I also noticed it's always men that seem to support him the most

For context, I'm 27. Married. Own husband seems to say 'well I don't hate him, no'. Argh.

If you were actually concerned about women's rights and knew a bit about the world other than reading about American centred stuff you would vote for whatever party promised to reduce mass immigration.
Go look into what life is like for women in Afghanistan and then see if you want to continue arguing that it's ok for droves of men from countries like that to move here (because whether you argue otherwise or not most will carry their mindset with them). Also look up grooming gangs in the UK.

The handmaid's tail is a work of fiction. The Taliban is not. Someone mentioned turkeys voting for Christmas on this thread with zero awareness that probably applies more to them then it does a reform voter.

What's Reform's solution to the small boats and immigration?

Wow @30percent that's some stretching you've done there of my post, do you do Pilates?

Where the fuck in my post have I indicated -

"that it's ok for droves of men from countries like that to move here (because whether you argue otherwise or not most will carry their mindset with them). Also look up grooming gangs in the UK. "

And I know lots about the world, thanks. I also happen to read books. And everything MA wrote about in that book had happened somewhere on the world to someone.

Well the two main parties have allowed that to happen for the past couple of decades, that's why third parties like reform are becoming more popular.
Talking about reform voters like they're idiots who watch too much tiktok makes it seem pretty damn obvious that you think the status quo should continue.

Meanwhile droning on about works of fiction like the handmaid's tail but refusing to mention the reality that is the Taliban, Isis etc and talking about people who are apprehensive about droves of men from those countries moving here as if they're idiots.

Also women's rights ....

Our girls are being catcalled on their way to school in their uniforms, victims of upskirting, revenge porn, peer on peer sexual assault (often in school).

And this has been dished out by lots of white men and boys.

If we frame this as women's rights maybe we should get our domestic shit in order before worrying about those horrible brown men.

I am a woman, I am an immigrant. I support Reform. I like Matt Goodwin in particular - he would (hopefully he will? ) make a better party leader than Nige.

I haven't seen any anti-women policies from them. The current situation with immigration can't continue though, and Reform are the only ones I'd trust to get it sorted. Uncontrolled immigration is making it worse for women, worse for children, worse economically and worse socially.
We really could do with a prolonged stop on importing foreign problems, until at least such time this country is back on even keel economically.
At present, we are like an overflowing privy and yet accepting more shit.

I am considering leaving if UK continues drowning itself. I didn't come here to live in conditions akin' to third world countries. "Back home" on the continent has never been as appealing - great education and health care, sparkling clean, sparsely populated (in comparison), the apples are local, not from Peru (shame on you Tesco), the public transport abundant and green.

I'm starting to regret sinking 20 years of my adult life here. England is home, English our only language by choice... for my son to take a test at school today with options to answer in English or Arabic.
I feel like someone has pulled "Bait and switch" scam on me.

Oh I do definitely think many (not all) Reform voters are idiots. Many of them are also racist misogynistic idiots.

I'm pretty sure I've not eluded to wanting the status quo to continue.

But you carry on making generalisations.

And a one line comparison to a book doesn't qualify as droning on

Har Matt Goodwin made any indication that he'll make a move into party politics?

for my son to take a test at school today with options to answer in English or Arabic.

Do you have any proof of this?

Obviously that's unacceptable behaviour but in Afghanistan women cannot speak in public and the latest blow just the other day is they can no longer train as midwives or nurses. Think about how many women and babies in labour will die because they didn't have a midwife. The majority of migrants moving here from Afghanistan are adult men and more fool you if you think that most don't think that a woman should know her place to an extreme degree.
While there are of course also white men who do bad things you're deflecting the arguement and mindsets like yours are why young girls in places like Rotherham were abused for so long and no one spoke out because they didn't want to be called racist

It was a test in an inner-city secondary school to determine sets for the new intake. I suppose they wanted to remove the "language barrier" and see where the knowledge stands without it.
And the language barrier is unfortunately a massive issue here - my son can't converse with most of his classmates and has cried about it in the past.
They have 7 children of white European heritage in his Primary class (3 white British out of those 7).
The teachers are struggling, the whole schools admin system is struggling.
The cultural division is apparent too - with 14 children out of 90 signing up for the end-of-primary residential trip. The invitation has been now extended to other year groups just to ensure the trip happens at all. Still doesn't look likely that my son will get to go on a school trip.

Also, the school hasn't had homework for 2-3 years now. The pupils and their parents refuse and/or are unable to engage with it, so it was stopped. They do "homework" at the start of the lesson now.

I can't pretend that I'm alright with all of this ⬆️. I'm not!

I see. So these are children where English is a second language not the national curriculum.

I'm in an area with all Reform councillors and my city had a Reform mayor recently.

A significant part of their popularity here is undeniably their visibility. Whether for good and bad, and whether it's just for the photo op, they are at the community events, they are pushing to grow and participate in St George's Day, they've organised rubbish pick ups during Christmas each year with members visibly there. Even those who loathe them know them all by name, but few can remember the Labour or Conservatives (and the Lib Dems pretty much stick to one part of the city) and they only do their photo op helping out in election years. Many of the Reform voters in my area don't particularly care about Farage, it's that they know Alan or whoever - a big thing seen each election here is 'if you've never seen their name or face before an election, why would you think you'll see them after?'

I think another part they do well that speaks to young men is some of them do spin a good tale of linking to the location and community. Labour and Conservatives that are seen in the media are far off and well-to-do. I was talking to an academic who lives and works in my area & his work involved discussing the draw of these types of groups, and the way reform and their ilk gets into talking about the land, blood, and such has long been used to pull at young men. I'm not sure if Farage does this, I try to ignore him, but in my area and nearby, there is a lot of 'defending the land' and honouring the blood and sacrifice (typically discussing WW2) rhetoric that I think has pulled in young men.

Some people just don't seem to want to understand that sometimes just being white is a privilege in itself, in that I can just go out my front door and walk down the street without fear of being physically or verbally attacked/abused for it.

Social privilege is one academic lens that has merit in discussing things at a population level, but it's one of many that we can use and has shown no benefit in using it at the individual level. Repeated studies into it show that teaching privilege as something an individual has or doesn't have doesn't have the positive impact aimed for. For example, when teaching White privilege in that way, the result was the White people were no kinder to people of other races, it just made them hate on other White people more, it made them feel superior and more 'with it'/enlightened compared to other of their own race. Social privilege isn't a literal thing anyone can have or not have, it's just a way to view and describe society & I think we should follow the evidence and stop pushing this lens at the individual level.

It also rarely gets into the individual level rhetoric that White isn't a universal concept - who is perceived as White varies, how White is defined varies. A person can be read as White in one location and read as entirely different in another. White can have those privileges in one location and not in another.

How can you say shite like this with a straight face when women in Afghanistan are barred from secondary education?

Not even ‘traditional order’ America (what is that, 1950s?) was that bad, not even remotely close. It’s insulting tbh.

So here’s the thing. You DO have a lot of work to do with your local men. But why make it worse by importing men from literally the worst countries on earth? That just makes your job ten times more difficult. No justification for this

The schools I'm talking about are your normal state primary and secondary in Hull, in city areas densely populated by fresh intake of migrants. Social fabric and cohesion are rapidly falling apart here. No selective schooling, or that's the option I'd take.
The schools only reflect the situation on the streets - my neighbours are either empty houses or HMOs to house migrants. That's a situation currently about 15 years in the making.
"There's very few of you left behind" is what my Councillor said to me - owing to the fact that I'm a homeowner-occupier.

And yeah, I wouldn't choose to sit it out here voluntarily - being a witness to this shambles is the only way I can afford a home. Unfortunately, I don't stand to inherit, or I'd buy my way out of the front-line of decay, so I can pretend that none of this is happening 😕
I hope I'm in the arse end and there is nowhere lower to sink. Otherwise, I'm out. Dunno how, as I've given my life and my child to this country. No one to blame but myself.

30 I agree with everything you as saying about women's rights in places like Afghanistan. And grooming gangs. And I speak up regularly about them.

I'm just not prepared to minimise the (granted not always as bad as) disgusting behaviour of white men and boys in the UK. Who are more and more influenced by short attention grabbing nonsense they see online which convinces them the world owes them something.

My comments regards That Book That Shall Not Be Named were that it's interesting to me to compare what's happening around the world (particularly America) to the background of Gilead. And also that many of the atrocities which happen are based on actual things happening when MA wrote it.

All of this (except the kids bit) applies to single women without kids, too. We basically can't get housing or government help, we have to share houses, we don't get access to mental health provision.

I was broke to the point of near-homelessness for years during my 20s as I worked my arse off trying to get a better qualification for a better job. I met loads of women like me, just struggling to survive but working, working, working.

And so I think it's odd that you don't see hordes of women behaving like these men or voting this way.

I wonder why that is.

Farage is getting or going to be getting much more funding from US right wing groups. I see he is beginning to bring up abortion.

If there's an advert for abortion then surely Nigel Farage is it.

My comments regards That Book That Shall Not Be Named were that it's interesting to me to compare what's happening around the world (particularly America) to the background of Gilead. And also that many of the atrocities which happen are based on actual things happening when MA wrote it

How is this book remotely related to America? It’s absurd

@RingoJuice
For the avoidance of doubt I'm well aware of what's happening in Afghanistan and no where have I indicated this is ok or tried to compare life for other women to there.

I was commenting on the opinion that a move back to traditional roles in society, women safely and snugly back in the home while removing reproductive rights, could be an attractive prospect for some men.

And I'm not justifying importing other problem men. I wanted to make the point that (and it's not just my local men but thanks for the suggestion) we have a task still in hand with the appalling behaviour of our own young men.

@Planesmistakenforstars

Reported. You have lost the debate if you need to resort to awful messaging suggesting a politician should have been aborted. It serves no one to descend to this level.

Reform had only 16% of Women candidates in the election. Even the Tories managed more. They have an MP who was convicted of beating his girlfriend

Bringing the behaviour of some of our own young men into this still feels like deflection away from talking about the effects of mass immigration of men from countries with backward views on women. Granted we have some native wronguns who should be dealt with it's hard to punish them when prisons are full up to the point they are releasing people early. As with housing, GPs etc which are harder to get due to the supply and demand of so many people moving here year after year, the same applies to prisons. Sure "build more" until we run out of countryside and farming land and we will still not be able to build enough to keep up with the amount of people moving here.

Something needs to be done about the huge amount of adult men moving here from countries where it's normal for women to not be allowed to speak in public or go to school. For our daughter's and granddaughters sake. It's good more people are waking up to this.