Farage friends with Donald bringing up abortion term times today quelle surprise

[Littlemissgobby]

With the rise of the right it seems to me they want to control abortion okay for a lot of people Farage is trying to discuss about term times and whether 24 weeks is too much might be legitimate but I don’t believe Nigel Farage is legitimate. I honestly believe that he With Donald Trump right now would like to ban all abortions in fact they’re doing pretty much that in a lot of states in America. And I’m sure it will get worse under his next term.
I believe that actually a lot on the hard right Shall we say, Talk about the great replacement theory that I often see on post on here especially talking about how immigration will replace white British and that we need more births that we do . I guess they want to increase births, because isn’t it very strange These right wing men don’t like welfare don’t want people to have children and have some sort of support oh no, but you’re not allowed an abortion of course he’s not particularly saying that he he he’s talking today about the term times shouldn’t be as much as 24 weeks.
I’m not a medical professional. I don’t know what my opinion on that subject particular is but I do know that I don’t like the way this conversation is going we have a lot of dark money in this country that is funding these pro-life groups that have come from America and I think we should be worried about that and I know that women possibly in this country that probably think reform are great because they like their stance on the immigrants well maybe you want to be thinking about that if your daughter can’t get an abortion because in America right now there’s a lot of people that are fucked about and found out they’ve realised that actually voting Donald Trump has had a big effect. Particularly his defunding of the education department and many people that voted for him now realising they’ve been told that their children with special education needs aren’t gonna get the help. They were not aware of how that was going to affect them so what I’m saying is do not be fooled Voting for people on a hateful platform then realising they take your rights away like abortion. I have been seeing a lot of videos on YouTube with that so perhaps we should all be thinking that obviously abortion in this country isn’t actually legal and it needs to be in line with Northern Ireland but there you go that’s my stance.

That's just not the same. It has always been a continuous issue in the US. It's has always been a part of their national debate. If this is just new to you then you haven't been looking.

How does this fit with your views on the migration thread? Lots of migrants coming from very conservative countries, often with very restrictive abortion laws (or outright bans). Do you think this might pose a potential problem in the future too?

I think America thought it was a done deal. It was already sorted in America yet. Look what's happened over there.I'm very sorry, but I honestly think nobody can take nothing for granted

I agree we can't take anything for granted, but at the moment it just isn't the political issue here that it is elsewhere.

However, I agree that that doesn't mean that can't slowly shift. We allow abortion later than a lot of other countries, and have the longest term limit in Europe (the Netherlands also has 24 weeks).

In practice I'm not sure the 24 week limit matters, in the sense that I don't think it needs to be reduced. 93% of abortions in this country occur before 12 weeks, and 98% before 17 weeks. I'd imagine that a reasonable chunk of the remaining 2% are for medical reasons eg a serious condition affecting the baby, or a life threatening condition for the mother (and some of these would obviously be after the 24 week restriction anyway, as you can still have an abortion for medical reasons after that). I don't believe women at 24 weeks are walking into hospital and saying "yeah actually I've just changed my mind, don't want it any more" and Drs are willingly performing an abortion at that stage.
So you could argue that reducing the limit from 24 to 17 weeks wouldn't make much difference to women, because only a tiny percentage take place after that, and the vast majority of abortions after that stage would still be allowed anyway, for medical reasons. But it would be a chipping away, and because it wouldn't make a difference I don't believe people who propose it are genuine. I believe they would want to continue to chip away.

I think it fits in because a certain narrative is. They don't want the immigrants coming over, they would prefer people to have babies, so this could be a back way of trying to force people not to have abortions.
Now, on to your point, do I believe there is an issue with some people that are ultra conservatives that have come from other countries. Yes. We need to be aware of all of this and not take people's opinions, for granted . It's a hard one

Yes, that's what i'm talking about.The continuation of the chipping away of the rights people have to remember that many people don't get their second scan to nearly 20. Weeks and that's when people find out that they have in a disabled child or not.I don't believe if you have a late term abortion, you are doing it willy nilly

Farage is a populist, achieving the popular vote requires a strategic attempt to galvanise and represent popular opinion. There's nothing popular about this. Yes, there are people who'd happily chip away at the terms but they are few and far between. There's no mileage in this.

Tapping in to and representing the concerns of people who feel like they have been thrown under the wheel of gdp targets as migration hits, what was it, 1 million? is how Farage could win the popular vote.

But I don't think he will. I think we'll end up with another conservative government in 5 years time.

the right for republican states to ban abortions was given to them by a supreme court with a conservative majority. trump picked the judges during his presidency that gave conservatives what is called a super majority on the court. this super majority made the ruling during the biden presidency that states could make up their own abortion laws. biden was unable to pass a law in congress to protect the right to abortion because the democrats did not have a majority in congress or the senate. US politics is very complicated.