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Farahilda · 18/11/2024 10:18

I just find it baffling how a young person can go from the mindset of sitting their A-Levels and heading to university to one day deciding to get involved in a violent attack on a commercial premises

That might be related to the offences still being under investigation for terrorism. If one or more of this group had been in touch with known or suspected members of proscribed organisations, then radicalisation is a real possibility. And I can't think of any good reason why radicalisation cannot be rapid (indeed getting a head of steam up for action in the first zeal is pretty plausible)

Shoxfordian · 18/11/2024 10:19

Branded a terrorist, for acting like a terrorist 🙄

ByMerryKoala · 18/11/2024 10:24

Do you even need to be in contact with a radicalised agent when the terminally online can live a good portion of their lives in a polarised bubble that rewards extreme signalling, extreme action and where the dehumanisation of those you disagree with is par for the course?

Even on Mumsnet, we have posters who feel unashamed to chalk this violence up as a means to an end, an act that should be pardoned or could be justified.

Hoppinggreen · 18/11/2024 10:43

Farahilda · 18/11/2024 10:18

I just find it baffling how a young person can go from the mindset of sitting their A-Levels and heading to university to one day deciding to get involved in a violent attack on a commercial premises

That might be related to the offences still being under investigation for terrorism. If one or more of this group had been in touch with known or suspected members of proscribed organisations, then radicalisation is a real possibility. And I can't think of any good reason why radicalisation cannot be rapid (indeed getting a head of steam up for action in the first zeal is pretty plausible)

I believe its a form of grooming.
These MC educated kids are unlikley to come up with this sort of thing in isolation, they are idiots and deserve to be punished for what they did but I think that they are being manipulated. The fact that ani terror laws are involved here may support that view.

ohdelay · 18/11/2024 11:24

I think violent people do violent things, being middle class has nothing to do with it. It's funny that the assumption on here is middle class means "nice" and some mean non middle class person groomed her. Lots of "activists" are similar, they like righteously smashing up stuff and people for "the cause" (see PETA, Baader Meinhoff, the mad twit who shat in Rishi's pond). They (and their idiotic parents) are always surprised by consequences because they are so nice and they were doing righteous work and they're better than common criminals etc.

valadon68 · 18/11/2024 11:55

The author of the BBC article is at fault for a) slanting our perspective by planting in readers' minds shock that a shy, autistic, naice middle-class gel (who lives in a lovely house with plants and period features, judging by the photo!) can be caught up in serious trouble, b) not considering that the police might have sensitive intel justifying the extended interrogation which cannot be shared with the BBC and c) shoehorning in that quote from the NUJ, which seems to be there partly to draw an equivalence between journalistic investigation and an attack which involved a member of the police being struck with a sledgehammer on the spine (!!), in order to bolster the framing of Zoe Rogers' case as a politically motivated intervention by a pro-Israel government.

Rogers may well be a very principled woman, but her understanding of justice is moulded to the contours of her own perspective. We can never escape that; we can only try to mitigate it by exposing ourselves to plurality of opinion. That someone believes in justice can never be final proof that their actions are good and can never justify turning away from that plurality of opinion. Yes, we look fondly on the suffragettes now - but we don't have that attitude towards, say, Russian revolutionaries who also fervently believed they were creating a better world. Often it is only by knowing the end result of violent action, years later, that we can reach consensus on how to judge that action.

There may be a free speech issue here, but the article does little to help us judge whether that's the case. The truth about Elbit's supply to Israel is also left completely unclear, unless I'm mistaken?

I have great sympathy for victims of the war in Gaza, victims of attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah, and all those who are targeted by anti-Semites. I do feel very sorry for Rogers and her mum. That I'm baffled at the low quality of the article isn't being triggered by bias.

BlueSilverCats · 18/11/2024 17:24

I see OP hasn't come back. Perhaps disappointed people can actually read?

herecomesautumn · 18/11/2024 17:44

FAFO

wavingfuriously · 18/11/2024 19:06

BlueSilverCats · 18/11/2024 17:24

I see OP hasn't come back. Perhaps disappointed people can actually read?

OP here and sorry to come back so late... this whole thing has taught me not to believe the press..only you do expect the good old beeb to do thorough investigations and get it right for the most part!
Really shocking..

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valadon68 · 18/11/2024 19:43

The heavy-handed use of terror legislation is of concern - e.g. in the case of Ernest Moret, someone who works for a radical left-wing French publisher and who was travelling to the 2023 London Book Fair, arrested as he got off the train in London and interrogated by the UK counter-terrorist authorities who also seized his devices and threatened him with a travel ban. That was beyond doubt an abuse of power coordinated with the French govt. and designed to intimidate those with a platform who criticise Macron. Moret has been awarded a 5-figure sum in compensation.

The Elbit case doesn't seem to have the same hallmarks of abuse of counter-terrorism measures.

FelixtheAardvark · 18/11/2024 19:44

I can see nothing to object to here.

BlueSilverCats · 19/11/2024 16:02

OP here and sorry to come back so late... this whole thing has taught me not to believe the press..only you do expect the good old beeb to do thorough investigations and get it right for the most part!
Really shocking..

Not that shocking. But a good lesson to learn. Read carefully ALL the information (it does say in the article what she was charged with) , do your research and use more than one source of information.

It wasn't hard to find the info on the "protest" online.

kimasoftcom · 19/11/2024 22:30

So you didn't bother to look into why he was banded a terrorist before you rushed to post on mumsnet about it?

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