Kemi Badenoch on Laura Kuenssberg this morning

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I like her, she’s clear and articulate and unapologetic.

she’s also downplaying her race (she was asked about it, didn’t bring it up) as opposed to Rachel Reeves going on again about being the first female chancellor.

She’s apparently sick of identify politics but can’t distinguish between mental health and neurodivergence, and published a pamphlet on how workplace protections for those with either issue are overdone. Is she only sick of some identity politics?

The Guardian - Badenoch Campaign Pamphelt

One could argue that stopping the crossings will stop babies dying in the Channel.

So the answer to your disgraceful comment is ‘no, Badenoch does not want babies to die’.

Accusing others of shameful comments is absurd. You were challenged on your disgraceful accusation. You look foolish. Just hold your hands up and admit you were wrong and should never have made that accusation.

She's not talking about stopping crossings she's talking about stopping LANDINGS

I'm not remotely wrong, she's loathsome on this topic

If the landing were stopped then the boats will stop.

Deaths prevented.

How is she going to do that?

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No, more would die in the sea

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She's talking about policing the border physically and stopping landings

But how will she stop boats landing? Is she proposing dragging them back out to sea? Shooting them? Taking them back to France?

Jesus Christ

Wow. What a vile post and a totally reductive attitude toward politics. What would your solution be to the small boats issue then genius?

They shouldn’t be getting in the boats. They are in a safe country. It’s on the parents. They come for the benefits because they don’t get them in France.

Completely agree - I like her style - clear and succinct.

What would you do about it? What are your ideas? Unless you think the capacity of the UK is infinite?

Personally I think governments need to be far more ambitious and a fundamental flaw in Badenoch's ideas, is that you cannot stop small boats without worldwide meaningful co operation to minimise climate chaos. Without that the boats will continue to come, and the UK cannot cope with an infinite influx of climate refugees.

What do you think should be done?

The result of that is that no one would attempt dangerous crossings. No dead babies.

You are not coming out of this well.

I don't want boats to land either, because I don't want people to have to risk their lives trying to get here.

What an abhorrent thing to say.

You do realise Amnesty International have said Labour's 'smash the gangs' policy has made the journey risker and deaths more frequent

That is happening right now. Do you have a view on that?

This is interesting Westward. Do you think that the people risking their lives are climate refuges now?

I do agree that there needs to be an international approach to migration.

I don't think our boarders should be closed but I do think that discussions need to be had and agreed as to how we deal with refugees v economic migrants.

We are an island nation. There is only so much population growth that is sustainable.

Every time a poster will do this. I missed her interview, good to hear you thought it went well

A lot of strife is caused by scarcity of resources. Forgive me because I can't remember the name of the source, but I read something very interesting sometime back about the Syrian civil war ultimately being caused by drought and a battle for water. And it is well known that parts of southern Iraq, for example, are simply becoming uninhabitable.

A major factor is heat plus humidity is a big problem for humans. How many times do we hear that we in this country when we get so called heatwaves find it so uncomfortable because of the humidity - 26 degrees plus high humidity feels worse than 34 degrees and low humidity. The body's ability to sweat and deal with the heat decreases as the atmosphere absorbs more moisture, and warmer temperatures mean more moisture is held. Now try to imagine being a poor family in southern Iraq for example - temperatures are now routinely reaching over 50 degrees, along with that higher humidity. No air con, no insulation from the relentless, killing heat. Would you stay? It's not sustainable.

We have also seen the weather chaos in Europe, in North America, in Asia the last few years. How long is it before all these people start pushing northwards? Glaciers are melting in the Himalayas which are the water sources for people thousands of miles away in the Bay of Bengal. What will happen when these glaciers finish retreating?

It's not enough for developed countries to close the borders without looking at the reason people are moving, and factoring in how many more of them will need and want to. But it doesn't seem as though people, including governments, are prepared to acknowledge that. Refugees and migrants will keep coming unless life improves where they are. But at the same time, the risk is they will overwhelm the countries they are trying to get to.

Anyway, back to Kemi and Laura...

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And yet she hasn’t done that, and indeed can’t do that as she isn’t in a position of power.
Meanwhile, the man who is in charge has presided over 32 deaths in the Channel since July. And done nothing about it.

Stop the Boats and Smash the Gangs seem to have the same end result - people dying.

What does she propose as an alternative?