They don't want us to have a choice over death do they?

[Hunnymonster1]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2lyl8jrvlo.amp

This is so bloody annoying why are we so backward compared to other countries? Other countries have this sorted like america.In some states, belgium, holland, Switzerland.
They are not gonna allow this to happen are they? Which means the rich will go and pay dignitas and the poor will suffer. I am starting to get so annoyed by the mps of this country
Am I being unreasonable into thinking that they are backwards and should have given maybe the British public a referendum on a subject matter so important to individual people. If not a ref why is our country so backwards

I work in nursing and am terrified of some of the things that could befall me in old age, I don’t want to be in a care home, curled up rigid, riddled with dementia not knowing who anyone is. I sincerely hope it is an option if it comes to that, there are fates worse than death. I intend on making a living will as well to ensure that I don’t get pumped full of antibiotics if I do end up with dementia or any treatment for things like cancer if not curable

I’m sorry you had to watch your dad go through that and for your loss. I think it is very wrong.

I think there can be general perception of a person peacefully slipping away, yes of course that does happen, but perhaps we all need to learn more about how a death can happen, otherwise like you say if you haven’t been through it, the image portrayed in films and words like peaceful are perhaps what is expected, and it can be a huge shock to find out the reality.

I watched my Mum literally rot to death over 28days after ‘withdrawal of care’. While she was still semi conscious she begged me to kill her, she begged for more pain relief ( which they wouldn’t give as it ‘could kill her’) as she was in agony. It nearly destroyed my mental health and some of my family. She got the exact death she had dreaded.
I was against assisted death.. now I’m not

Two things influence my vote against it. I watched my dad die and it was awful. However, he repeatedly chose unpleasant treatment that I would have refused and that I assumed he would. This tells me I don’t know how to choose for others, and that my expectation for him was wrong. Same with mum. She would not accept a DNR, let alone anything else.

The issue we have is with our fear of Harold Shipman. Fear of over medicating people keeps us trapped on this side of death, when adequate medication would let us slip away more easily. That’s what we need to address.

News stories make it scarily apparent that we can’t trust ourselves with the right to euthanasia. It’s evident that enough people will abuse it that we shouldn’t go there. A comfortable death- definitely. A premature one? Absolutely not.

Who are "They" @Hunnymonster1?

Me too. I found her documentary really thought-provoking. It certainly confirmed me in my opposition to assisted death.

Watching somebody die a horrible and torturous death from cancer is enough to ensure I will always be pro assisted dying

I agree. The problem is that this isn’t a rare occurrence, its becoming more and more common.
Unfortunately medical science has progressed so far that we can keep people alive for years and years with no quality of life.

I'm glad he is voting against it, as would I, and I'm also a Christian.

Yup, it makes me angry too.😡
It should be a personal choice for the individual, no-one else.

I'm not religious, I also have terminal cancer and I am very concerned about this.

I read a book about palliative care where a guy who had Dutch and British citizenship left the Netherlands to come to a hospice here because he felt that he was being steered towards assisted dying when what he actually wanted was to be given excellent palliative care so he could enjoy his last weeks/months.

I support assisting dying and do not want to end my days like my FIL, nan and mum did. Even with paliative care it was still an undignified and painful process for them. My FIL in particular started to starve himself to death before covid finally got him. Totally inhumane what my loved ones went through.

I’m for assisted death, it irritates the fuck out of me that anytime there is a debate about this, the debate get derailed by people shouting about ‘what ifs’, all the while the terminally ill are suffering the most HORRIFIC PAINFUL DEATHS. That is what this is about, but it gets derailed by arguments of people murdering others, suicide of the mentally ill or the moral objections people have, these outcomes can be safeguarded, but for anyone who hasn’t seen the end of someone suffering, go help out in a hospice, stay with these people screaming for relief when there is none to be had and stay until the end. I pray I go like my mum, instant heart attack, they are the lucky ones.

it is murder .....they keep killing the elderly in care homes and used to kill the autistic in care facilities in rooms with no windows , not enough food and no one to visits - their AD law won't change much, just add more crimes and abuses to the vulnerable. Dying in dignity. What shambles of even someone thinking this is ever going to be right

One of my parents wanted me to give them an overdose when they had incurable cancer. The remaining parent has asked me to smother them with a pillow when their dementia leaves them incapacitated. How is that fair on any of us?

A close family friend who had Parkinsons, asked her family to organise Dignitas for her. Her life had become unbearable, continously falling and breaking bones, exhaustion, etc. She said she had had a good, full and happy life and it was time to go, she'd had enough pain. How is that wrong?

What is happening in Canada?

I am not religious and am against the bill although I have empathy and sympathy with those who wish to end their lives.

Part of my reasoning is that it would put a huge burden on palliative care staff, who for the most part do a wonderful job.

I've also been really shocked at some of the attitudes on here towards the elderly and it has made me wonder if some people would use this bill to their advantage.

I am sorry both of your parents have asked you to do this. That is an unbearable position to be in.

Life is not ours to give or take.
gentlereformation.com/2024/10/19/a-good-death-2/

I provided end of life care to my dad at home and a couple months later my mum in hospice. Both with cancer, both truly awful, undignified, horrible deaths. I still don't believe in assisted deaths.

It isn't wrong. But laws aren't just made with one person in mind. You need to weigh up situations like the ones you've described with the very real risk that vulnerable people will be tricked or coerced into taking their own lives. And the risk that inadequate safeguards will be put in place, the criteria will be expanded beyond the terminally ill etc etc.
The risk is too high.

So how can you stop this bill being abused and who would you suggest administers the drugs?

I agree.

Also, if money is involved (inheritance) then there will definitely be people who try to exploit this.

yes, absolutely the majority want it. Countless polls of the public have consistently shown over 75% support.

Religion will play a big part in this particularly in Scotland.
Can't go upsetting the RC church.
The abortion clinic buffer zone was long overdue from these religious zealots.