A driving question with diagram

[Verbena193]

Mini round about,

I'm car C, I want to turn right, I'm indicating right.

Car A isn't indicating,

Car B isn't indicating,

All cars are stopped.

Car B driver starts getting pissed off with me, waving/gesticulating wildly, looks like he's swearing.

I gesture back that he needs to indicate. He gets angrier but is still stationary and is now waving me to go.

I move off as he clearly isn't going to. He shakes his head at me.

Was I wrong? If he'd been indicating left I would have moved off. If he'd been indicating right, i would have waited. As he wasn't indicating I waited.

This happens near my house all the time. Yes, car b should be indicating. The reality is that this happens all the time. Decision making should be made based on who was approaching first and indicators but 2 xars could be on the roundabout at the same time. V few people understand that. So i just go, no matter which side I am approaching from.

Car a didn't need to indicate if he was going straight. No indicator suggests that so really in my opinion you and car a could have gone simultaneously. By the time you were round, car a would have been through already.

But it's nuanced by space etc.

The actual rule is to give way to the vehicle on the roundabout, which in practice usually means the car to your right. Mini roundabouts, where all have stopped, are therefore a game of chicken. One of you has to make a move. I probably would have gone first if I was car c as car b would have seen car an approaching and waited for them.

*Car a

There is a roundabout near me like this. I regularly encounter what i call the 'three car standoff'. I am always turning right and i am always the one to move first if no one else wants to commit.

Which road is the major road and which the minor?

Thanks everyone, I like the '3 car stand off' that's exactly what it was.

I think car B had a nerve getting arsey with me as he was the only one of us not giving an indication of where he wanted to go, also he could have just politely waved me forward. Dick head.

When there is a stand off, I tend to go. Someone has to make a decision, so it may as well be me. and I'm not hugely concerned if a bloke in a German saloon thinks I should have yielded to his imagined superiority.

The exception to this is if the road markings have single and double dashed lines to indicate who has priority.

Both the same.

Depends who approached first on mini roundabouts. If he was already there as you got there then waiting for him to move was probably the right thing to do, otherwise you should have gone.
If everyone has stopped on the approach someone has to make the first move. If it didn't look like anyone else was going to then I would, regardless of whether other stopped vehicles were indicating.

In which case B should have made the first move and failing that C. A was probably waiting on C to make a decision.

And I couldn't make a decision because B wasn't indicating.

Someone must have got there first - if the roundabout was clear to their left they should have gone forward.

If no one is on the roundabout and everyone is stationary, just go.

But B wasn't on the roundabout? So you didn't have to give way

Who got to the roundabout first?

Yes he was.

Same time.

Hang on - he was on the roundabout? Then stopped and gesticulated to you?

He should have either signalled left or right, as he had no straight over option. He was being a dick.

He was at the junction to the roundabout. He wasn't approaching. You give way to the right so it was his right of way wether he was on the round about or at the junction.

The fact that he wasn’t indicating is irrelevant. He actually could have been indicating to go right, you just wouldn’t have been able to see his indicators from where you were positioned.
He had signalled for you to go, you didn’t, he signalled again, you didn’t go again. Stuff like this happens every day!

B was a knob end, but given he had stopped rather than carried on obliviously going no matter what was happening on his right (like most knob ends of this ilk), I’d have just gone first. You snooze you lose on a mini roundabout.

Why wouldn't I have been able to see his indicators? He didn't wave me on at first, he started gobbling off. As soon as he waved me on I went.

You give way to the right so it was his right of way wether he was on the round about or at the junction

He was giving way to the person on his right though. Car A.

Because the indicator to turn right is on the right of a vehicle, and as you were on the left of the vehicle, you would not have been able to see.

If everyone was there at the same time then whoever moves first has priority as you'd all be giving way to each other.