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Zee versus zed

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Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 17/10/2024 17:26

This week I've been running visual acuity tests for year 7s. I soon noticed that about 80% of them say zee instead of zed. Now I know language changes etc, it's a mix of us influences and maybe learning phonics in primary, but it made me feel unaccountably sad.
Do your kids say zed or zee?

OP posts:
HopeSpringsInfernal · 18/10/2024 19:41

Rowt always puzzles me. You don't seem to hear Americans talking about rowt 66 do you?

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 18/10/2024 22:34

BarbaraHoward · 18/10/2024 15:24

Another common misconception. "Can I get a coffee" is fine, "get" can mean to receive ("What did you get for your birthday?") as well as to fetch ("I'll get that down from the shelf").

the Cambridge online dictionary also lists "to buy" as one of the meanings of the word.

Dictionaries follow usage, rather than dictating what's correct. So if people go around asking if they can "get a coffee" then sadly, this is going to be recorded.

BarbaraHoward · 18/10/2024 22:36

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 18/10/2024 22:34

Dictionaries follow usage, rather than dictating what's correct. So if people go around asking if they can "get a coffee" then sadly, this is going to be recorded.

Why sadly? Regardless of whether you're ok with get = buy, get = receive is long established.

mathanxiety · 18/10/2024 22:40

ginasevern · 17/10/2024 18:10

I hate zee, I hate haitch, I hate math and I hate gotten (instead of got) - although I've read that a few regions in the UK apparently have always said this. However, they never have in the South West and now it's here big time.

You'll probably be appalled to learn that Aitch is the usual American pronunciation.

RaraRachael · 18/10/2024 22:42

Herd we go again."Can I get" is the norm in much of Scotland.
You'd be laughed our of a shop if you said "Please may I have?"

WhatAreYouListeningTo · 18/10/2024 22:49

it made me feel unaccountably sad.

Sad? Really?

mathanxiety · 18/10/2024 22:52

BogRollBOGOF · 18/10/2024 11:10

My two had a phase in 2020/21 of being influenced by minecraft videos and saying levver. This was awkward as it was unclear whether they meant leather or lever and both items would have fitted in context.

Route is another Americanism that jars as it sounds like you're gouging something out in a DIY project rather than following a way. Pissed is very different to being pissed off!

I'm not keen on Zee. It sounds too much like the 3rd letter of the alphabet.

The levver vs leather bit is quite funny. Vast swathes of the Anglophone world would never (nether?) mix those words up.

Also, the 'fitted' form of the verb 'to fit' would sound very grating to the American ear. If you were speaking American English, you would have said 'would have fit in context'.

Router as pronounced in British English calls to mind pigs rooting.

Funny thing, the ear.

mathanxiety · 18/10/2024 22:53

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 17/10/2024 21:13

Someone on another thread is talking about boiling "soothers". Ugh!

Soother is a term used in Ireland.

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 18/10/2024 22:54

Cattenberg · 17/10/2024 18:30

That would annoy me because it sounds so contrived coming from English person. It reminds me of David Brent in The Office saying, “you do the math”.

My daughter pronounces Amazon as “Ama-ZON”.

As for kids saying “pissed” to mean “pissed off”, I’m afraid I’d wilfully misunderstand them every time, then remind them that the two phrases have different meanings in the UK.

Fanny pack also

mathanxiety · 18/10/2024 22:57

GretchenWienersHair · 17/10/2024 18:39

I can’t work out the Amazon example. Am I saying it wrong? How else would it be pronounced? I say “am-a-zon”.

I think the British pronunciation is Amaz'n, or AM-uh-zn. (A very truncated last syllable).

The American pronunciation is Am-uh-zon. The last syllable has the same emphasis as the first.

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 18/10/2024 22:58

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 18/10/2024 22:34

Dictionaries follow usage, rather than dictating what's correct. So if people go around asking if they can "get a coffee" then sadly, this is going to be recorded.

Can I get a coffee demands the response 'yes, next'

BarbaraHoward · 18/10/2024 23:00

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 18/10/2024 22:58

Can I get a coffee demands the response 'yes, next'

It really really doesn't.

BarbaraHoward · 18/10/2024 23:00

RaraRachael · 18/10/2024 22:42

Herd we go again."Can I get" is the norm in much of Scotland.
You'd be laughed our of a shop if you said "Please may I have?"

Same in Ireland.

HarrisObviously · 18/10/2024 23:11

Americans are not good with French words.
Rowt for route is a perfect example.
As George W Bush once said....."The French don't have a word for entrepreneur".

CallMeBettyBoop · 19/10/2024 00:06

Zed and Aitch

GretchenWienersHair · 19/10/2024 07:26

mathanxiety · 18/10/2024 22:57

I think the British pronunciation is Amaz'n, or AM-uh-zn. (A very truncated last syllable).

The American pronunciation is Am-uh-zon. The last syllable has the same emphasis as the first.

I’ve been pronouncing it like an American forever! 😄 (The website, at least. Weirdly, not the rainforest…)

MsJuniper · 19/10/2024 07:53

zee
chips
schedule
math
lever
airplane
fall

All a losing battle in my classroom. I keep trying though.

Zebrashavestripes · 19/10/2024 10:22

MsJuniper · 19/10/2024 07:53

zee
chips
schedule
math
lever
airplane
fall

All a losing battle in my classroom. I keep trying though.

How sad. Not that they use American English, but that they obviously spend a lot more time online than they do speaking to "the locals".

RaraRachael · 19/10/2024 10:24

I always say Am-a-zon but I'm Scottish and we do tend to say every letter 😄

cakeorwine · 19/10/2024 10:27

Zebrashavestripes · 19/10/2024 10:22

How sad. Not that they use American English, but that they obviously spend a lot more time online than they do speaking to "the locals".

But are you "zee bra stripes" or "zeb ra stripes"

cariadlet · 19/10/2024 11:06

cakeorwine · 18/10/2024 06:38

Something slightly similar - I listen to some podcasts - and it's interesting how one that is done by someone who is British, who is a British journalist and who presents on Radio 4 alters his podcast so he uses American words.

e.g. flashlight for torch, math for maths etc.

Clearly the podcast is popular in the USA or is sponsored by an American company so he alters it slightly - but noticeably for someone who I know is British.

Cautionary Tales with Tim Harford?

He probably uses American English because it's produced by Pushkin Industries and I think that's an American company.

cariadlet · 19/10/2024 11:09

muddyford · 18/10/2024 18:14

My Nokia has 'torch'!

My Huawei also has 'torch".

sunbum · 19/10/2024 11:12

My 13y old tried to tell me I'm mom the other day. He also asked if his bag was in the trunk of the car! Too much time on you tube which has now been curtailed! Americatisation.

cariadlet · 19/10/2024 11:13

I love that the Channel 4 continuity announcer pronouncers Generation Z (new programme about geriatric zombies) as Generation ZED.

RaraRachael · 19/10/2024 12:24

I've always said Generation ZED. I think I'm too old for all this stuff!

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