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Women can’t have top jobs because preoccupied with children kemi badenoch as example

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Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 15:12

Look, as I have put previous posts about kemi I don’t like her or Robert jenwick but I am posting this because I read on here a lady that said why is it women have to be the one with kids yet men on the whole don’t stop their career for children.
Anyway this Tory mp on ITV just heard it on lbc now as Sheila Fogarty talking about it now said he’s backing Robert as he won’t be distracted by his kids like kemi will be.
so what do you think? Do you think women are more preoccupied with their children etc then dad are ?
https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2024-10-17/veteran-tory-mp-claims-kemi-badenoch-preoccupied-with-her-own-children

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blacksax · 17/10/2024 15:15

Fuck me, when will this sexist shit come to an end?

Reugny · 17/10/2024 15:18

Ha ha. I started a thread about this in AIBU.

Guy's a walking exhibit of a dinosaur.

She is a married millionaire whose own mother was a university professor. I think she knows how to be a working mother with an involved job and mother her own children.

(Oh and I don't like Badenoch.)

Grepes · 17/10/2024 15:20

I think says more about the man really. Who would want someone running a country who didn’t give a shit about their own children, doesn’t fill you with much hope they’d care for the well-being of the nation.

kitsuneghost · 17/10/2024 15:22

I think they are in general.
I don't think it is a sex based thing though.
I think it is mainly to do with birthing parent being more attached to the upbringing and the non-birthing parent being less involved.

Edit: This doesn't mean women with kids CAN'T have top jobs it just means they are less likely to want to. Or want to but less likely to relinquish control of their kids (doing both at a high level is not good for anyone)

PollyPeep · 17/10/2024 15:31

It's a privilege that men take for granted, and this Tory MP framing it as a character strength is unbelievable.

Unfortunately women can be more distracted by their kids. And that's not through choice or necessarily through biology - although of course at the very early stages babies are more reliant on their mothers. It's mainly because the expectation is that, at least in Europe, women will take a year off for maternity and then go back to work part time. The childcare (and housework) slowly and insidiously falls down to the mum, until very often women are left in a position that if they're not the ones being "distracted by" (read, looking after??) their kids, no one else will be.

I considered my own relationship to be equal and modern, and it was, but to be honest since having a couple of kids I see my husband's career carrying merrily on (although he'd say he's under pressure to provide) and mine stalling as I take on more of the childcare responsibilities. It's not right or fair, but it's a product of our society.

Am I more distracted by my children? I don't think so, but I do see that by me taking on more of the domestic responsibilities, my husband is free to NOT be distracted by the children.

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 15:31

He did say that he believed thatcher kids suffered while she was in power as Sheila said what about Blair kids. Do you think mums working have more of an impact then dads do

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ilovesooty · 17/10/2024 15:36

I don't think Kemi Badenoch is fit to lead a political party but not for that reason. Chope is a foul misogynistic pig.

ARichtGoodDram · 17/10/2024 15:36

Christopher Chope hates women.

He objected to private members bills against upskirting and FGM.

KB is an appalling politician and potential leader, but that's nothing to do with her being a mother.

Reugny · 17/10/2024 15:49

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 15:31

He did say that he believed thatcher kids suffered while she was in power as Sheila said what about Blair kids. Do you think mums working have more of an impact then dads do

Thatcher's kids suffered because well she was Thatcher.

Not heard Blair's kids complaining that they suffered with their mum being a top QC and dad being an MP then PM including the one that was born in Downing Street.

Badenoch at least has had professional parents who has given her an example of what she should do.

MilkyWayAtoms · 17/10/2024 15:55

PollyPeep · 17/10/2024 15:31

It's a privilege that men take for granted, and this Tory MP framing it as a character strength is unbelievable.

Unfortunately women can be more distracted by their kids. And that's not through choice or necessarily through biology - although of course at the very early stages babies are more reliant on their mothers. It's mainly because the expectation is that, at least in Europe, women will take a year off for maternity and then go back to work part time. The childcare (and housework) slowly and insidiously falls down to the mum, until very often women are left in a position that if they're not the ones being "distracted by" (read, looking after??) their kids, no one else will be.

I considered my own relationship to be equal and modern, and it was, but to be honest since having a couple of kids I see my husband's career carrying merrily on (although he'd say he's under pressure to provide) and mine stalling as I take on more of the childcare responsibilities. It's not right or fair, but it's a product of our society.

Am I more distracted by my children? I don't think so, but I do see that by me taking on more of the domestic responsibilities, my husband is free to NOT be distracted by the children.

I hear what you are saying. I feel like I am "default parent" and my DH has certainly built up more of a career than me because of it, but I'm not career minded anyway and never have been (even before kids). I have a family member who is a SAHD though for similar reasons so I don't think it's always a sex based thing.

I don't think it's about women being distracted as much as that it might be hard for both parents to be 100% focused on their career. Unless you have nannies you really trust I suppose, but then are you both basically outsourcing almost all of parenting? How is that for the kids?

Edit - the Blair children are a good example as mentioned up thread. I'm sure nannies were very involved with them but it seems they turned out ok?

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 16:21

ARichtGoodDram · 17/10/2024 15:36

Christopher Chope hates women.

He objected to private members bills against upskirting and FGM.

KB is an appalling politician and potential leader, but that's nothing to do with her being a mother.

Oh god was that him I remember that I couldn’t understand why anyone would object to that bill at the time

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Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 16:38

Bump

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Reugny · 17/10/2024 16:55

MilkyWayAtoms · 17/10/2024 15:55

I hear what you are saying. I feel like I am "default parent" and my DH has certainly built up more of a career than me because of it, but I'm not career minded anyway and never have been (even before kids). I have a family member who is a SAHD though for similar reasons so I don't think it's always a sex based thing.

I don't think it's about women being distracted as much as that it might be hard for both parents to be 100% focused on their career. Unless you have nannies you really trust I suppose, but then are you both basically outsourcing almost all of parenting? How is that for the kids?

Edit - the Blair children are a good example as mentioned up thread. I'm sure nannies were very involved with them but it seems they turned out ok?

Edited

Badenoch will have nannies.

She highly likely had a nanny when she was growing up.

M0vember7321 · 17/10/2024 17:17

HRH The Queen did a fantastic job & she was a mother
Obviously the Queen had family & help
However, it proves that gender is not an issue.

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 17:19

M0vember7321 · 17/10/2024 17:17

HRH The Queen did a fantastic job & she was a mother
Obviously the Queen had family & help
However, it proves that gender is not an issue.

Let's be frank these are elite women with help listening to a working class woman on radio childcare is an issue for many women. Vast majority of women have husbands that earn more so the caring for children tends to fall for women on many cases.

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2024 17:25

He's a vile misogynist. But he's a Tory so I'm not that surprised.

There are so many reasons to believe that KB would not be a suitable leader of the opposition. The fact that she has children doesn't even feature.

Appletreepots · 17/10/2024 17:28

Grepes · 17/10/2024 15:20

I think says more about the man really. Who would want someone running a country who didn’t give a shit about their own children, doesn’t fill you with much hope they’d care for the well-being of the nation.

Exactly. Who would want someone in government who wasn't capable of being caring and engaged with their children? Ideally, everyone in government would put family-friendly hours and wages for caring work as top priorities.

MilkyWayAtoms · 17/10/2024 17:34

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 17:19

Let's be frank these are elite women with help listening to a working class woman on radio childcare is an issue for many women. Vast majority of women have husbands that earn more so the caring for children tends to fall for women on many cases.

Yes these women are living in a different world to those of us who couldn't afford nannies anyway. I mainly work evenings and weekends to save on childcare... That's not something people in her sphere even consider. Having children for them is quite a different experience as it is for your everyday person.

cakeorwine · 17/10/2024 18:57

I wonder if he thought Boris Johnson could do the job. I seem to recall Johnson being a father to many children including some born during his time as PM.

Mark Thatcher and Carol Thatcher were born in 1953 - so were 24 when Thatcher became PM - so I am not sure why he talks about Thatcher

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 17/10/2024 19:15

Is he JD Vance's brother?

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/10/2024 19:25

ARichtGoodDram · 17/10/2024 15:36

Christopher Chope hates women.

He objected to private members bills against upskirting and FGM.

KB is an appalling politician and potential leader, but that's nothing to do with her being a mother.

I agree with all of this.

Wegovypictures · 17/10/2024 19:29

Have any of you read what he said?

Chope is a nobhead but he didn't say anything about her being a woman.

He said her children were younger the Jenricks so more distracting. Compared both of them as parents. Different to saying it's because she's a woman

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2024 19:30

Wegovypictures · 17/10/2024 19:29

Have any of you read what he said?

Chope is a nobhead but he didn't say anything about her being a woman.

He said her children were younger the Jenricks so more distracting. Compared both of them as parents. Different to saying it's because she's a woman

Yeah, and then he referenced Thatcher and said that her family had probably been disadvantaged as a result of her role. Funny how he didn't think to say that about Sunak or Cameron or Blair etc.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2024 19:31

Plus if you know anything about Chope, it will be pretty clear where he is coming from.

FelixtheAardvark · 17/10/2024 19:40

This is Chope who even the Tories consider to be an out-of-touch old fossil. Pay no attention.