Page 2 | Women can’t have top jobs because preoccupied with children kemi badenoch as example

Hunnymonster1 · 2024-10-17T14:12:06+00:00

Look, as I have put previous posts about kemi I don’t like her or Robert jenwick but I am posting this because I read on here a lady that said why is it women have to be the one with kids yet men on the whole don’t stop their career for children. Anyway this Tory mp on ITV just heard it on lbc now as Sheila Fogarty talking about it now said he’s backing Robert as he won’t be distracted by his kids like kemi will be. so what do you think? Do you think women are more preoccupied with their children etc then dad are ? [[https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2024-10-17/veteran-tory-mp-claims-kemi-badenoch-preoccupied-with-her-own-children https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2024-10-17/veteran-tory-mp-claims-kemi-badenoch-preoccupied-with-her-own-children]]

blacksax · 17/10/2024 21:25

Wegovypictures · 17/10/2024 19:29

Have any of you read what he said?

Chope is a nobhead but he didn't say anything about her being a woman.

He said her children were younger the Jenricks so more distracting. Compared both of them as parents. Different to saying it's because she's a woman

Yes, I have. He's a knobhead of the first water.

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 17/10/2024 21:31

I don't think it's about women being distracted as much as that it might be hard for both parents to be 100% focused on their career. Unless you have nannies you really trust I suppose, but then are you both basically outsourcing almost all of parenting? How is that for the kids?

No. IMO it's possible if BOTH parents contribute to parenting and house work equally.
It's a problem when women are viewed as the default childcare.

blacksax · 17/10/2024 21:33

PollyPeep · 17/10/2024 15:31

It's a privilege that men take for granted, and this Tory MP framing it as a character strength is unbelievable.

Unfortunately women can be more distracted by their kids. And that's not through choice or necessarily through biology - although of course at the very early stages babies are more reliant on their mothers. It's mainly because the expectation is that, at least in Europe, women will take a year off for maternity and then go back to work part time. The childcare (and housework) slowly and insidiously falls down to the mum, until very often women are left in a position that if they're not the ones being "distracted by" (read, looking after??) their kids, no one else will be.

I considered my own relationship to be equal and modern, and it was, but to be honest since having a couple of kids I see my husband's career carrying merrily on (although he'd say he's under pressure to provide) and mine stalling as I take on more of the childcare responsibilities. It's not right or fair, but it's a product of our society.

Am I more distracted by my children? I don't think so, but I do see that by me taking on more of the domestic responsibilities, my husband is free to NOT be distracted by the children.

May I ask you a question?

Do you think that if both candidates had been male, would the respective ages of their children and their distracting capabilities have even been considered (let alone mentioned) as a reason to vote for one and not the other?

Because I think the answer to that question would be 'No'.

MilkyWayAtoms · 17/10/2024 22:03

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 17/10/2024 21:31

I don't think it's about women being distracted as much as that it might be hard for both parents to be 100% focused on their career. Unless you have nannies you really trust I suppose, but then are you both basically outsourcing almost all of parenting? How is that for the kids?

No. IMO it's possible if BOTH parents contribute to parenting and house work equally.
It's a problem when women are viewed as the default childcare.

Is it really though? Getting away from the original question now but just on a practical level, if both parents are working 50, 60 hour weeks (which I imagine is the case if you're in a really high powered job), can either parent be really present for the children? Neither are going to be home and available that much. (I assume housework would definitely be outsourced.)

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 17/10/2024 22:20

Is it really though? Getting away from the original question now but just on a practical level, if both parents are working 50, 60 hour weeks (which I imagine is the case if you're in a really high powered job), can either parent be really present for the children? Neither are going to be home and available that much. (I assume housework would definitely be outsourced.)

Depends on the job though. Some high powered jobs offer a significant amount of flexibility.
Both me and DH have 'big' jobs which can involve long hours and international travel. Between us we've never missed an assembly, sports day, play etc.
The only outsourcing is wrap around care 4 days a week (which closes at 5.30) and a cleaner once a fortnight.

Guavafish1 · 17/10/2024 22:24

She’s awful… another deluded Liz Truss

The man has form for making anti-women statements…. so no surprise.

The Tory party is full of economically illiterate idiots

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Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:30

I don't agree with kemi but her response to this old tory mp was good saying men have a responsibility to..
Must say though she wasn't great at doing trade deals though as it turns out so there is that but still...
https://news.sky.com/story/badenoch-hits-back-at-tory-mp-who-said-shes-too-preoccupied-with-her-children-to-be-party-leader-13235266

Badenoch hits back at Tory MP who said she's 'too preoccupied' with her children to be party leader

Conservative MP Christopher Chope has sparked a backlash for suggesting Kemi Badenoch could not be the leader of the opposition because she spends "a lot of time with her family".

https://news.sky.com/story/badenoch-hits-back-at-tory-mp-who-said-shes-too-preoccupied-with-her-children-to-be-party-leader-13235266

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Combattingthemoaners · 17/10/2024 22:44

Fucking hell, 1972 called and it wants its misogyny back. How depressing!!

Billybluehats · 17/10/2024 22:50

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 16:21

Oh god was that him I remember that I couldn’t understand why anyone would object to that bill at the time

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oh it’s HIM! What a dinosaur!

He’s shown us why we wouldn’t vote for his ilk…. Or Jenrick or Badenoch. They won’t be scrabbling around for childcare like us normals are. They’ll have staff.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 17/10/2024 22:51

And what with her maternity leave remarks, there'll be plenty more without top jobs if she gets in.

PollyPeep · 18/10/2024 00:52

blacksax · 17/10/2024 21:33

May I ask you a question?

Do you think that if both candidates had been male, would the respective ages of their children and their distracting capabilities have even been considered (let alone mentioned) as a reason to vote for one and not the other?

Because I think the answer to that question would be 'No'.

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I agree, but I don't think this is related to my comment ☺️

KenAdams · 18/10/2024 01:10

This is a good thing, they're starting to feel threatened. The tide is turning and they can't deal with it, keep it up ladies!

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/10/2024 03:56

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 16:21

Oh god was that him I remember that I couldn’t understand why anyone would object to that bill at the time

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Chope objects to any Private Members Bill he believes hasn't been allocated sufficient parliamentary time for debate. It's a feature of his career.

blacksax · 18/10/2024 18:26

PollyPeep · 18/10/2024 00:52

I agree, but I don't think this is related to my comment ☺️

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It is though. If a woman is discriminated against because she has young children yet a man with kids the same age is not discriminated against, then it is very relevant, isn't it? People's assumption that women can't do a job as well as men because they have little kiddies to look after is sexism, plain and simple.

PollyPeep · 18/10/2024 22:17

@blacksax No, I agree with you. I think you may have misunderstood my original comment.