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Why does life seem to shit in the UK

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RosieLeaLovesTea · 16/10/2024 23:15

Endless threads about schools going down the pan and poor behaviour in schools making teachers want to leave.
NHS waiting lists and quality of care medical is poor.
housing market market in crisis and affordability of housing

I read the threads and it feels like life in the UK is really shit. Plus crap weathe for 8 months of the year.

how did we get here snd what is the solution?

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Vergus · 17/10/2024 13:27

@Alexandra2001

We are a "developed" country, please compare with our continental neighbours.

I have. And I would still prefer to live in the UK. For the reasons cited.

Cremacreme · 17/10/2024 13:28

London schools are seeing huge falls in school rolls because birth rates have fallen faster than predicted & the trend is moving to other areas.

the cost of housing has done so much damage

Cremacreme · 17/10/2024 13:29

@Vergus how old are you?

Shakeoffyourchains · 17/10/2024 13:39

Alexandra2001 · 17/10/2024 13:10

Would you like to live in China? Try being poor there. India? The levels of child poverty there are just awful. Perhaps Afghanistan might be better? Or you could try Africa, where people can't get access to fresh water and many live in makeshift slums if they are "poor."

Of the more idiotic statements on this thread.... why didn't you add in Saturn or Pluto? not nice living there either....

We are a "developed" country, please compare with our continental neighbours, not 3rd world countries or ones with ruinous tyrannical leaders.

Why can my friends in Portugal, France and Italy get surgery and dental care either free or at 50% the price we pay and don't have to wait 3 years for it?
Why have we got potholed roads? the most expensive trains in Europe? less HCP's, beds and equipment than any comparable country in Europe? our kids wait 3 years for MH treatment...

In fact, most Southern countries in Europe have entrenched misogynistic attitudes. A woman's place is in the kitchen and at home, and these cultural expectations are the things people don't see when they go there on holiday

BS, total rubbish, i worked in southern France, my brother in Malaga and then in Greece, we would often visit each other, those attitudes, just as in the UK, are uncommon now a days.... but didn't a leading Tory Minister say women should stay home and have children?

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Why can my friends in Portugal, France and Italy get surgery and dental care either free or at 50% the price we pay and don't have to wait 3 years for it?
Why have we got potholed roads? the most expensive trains in Europe? less HCP's, beds and equipment than any comparable country in Europe? our kids wait 3 years for MH treatment...

Presumably because their populations voted for governments that prioritised those services over making profit for private companies and hold them to account if they fail to deliver.

The UK, it's government, and it's issues are largely a reflection of the public's will or rather, it's apathy.

From 2010 to 2019 we had almost a decade of austerity, where services were cut to the bone, assets sold to the highest bidder, national debt and taxes rose, and living standards fell for all.

What was the response from the public? To vote the same party back into power because they made the right noises about the non-issue of migration, who then rewarded us with more cuts, more debt and more taxes.

AND STILL almost 24% of the public voted for that party in 2024 (with a further 14% voted for something even worse).

Obsessedwithsourdough · 17/10/2024 13:48

NameChangeUser183794639 · 17/10/2024 11:07

I think that's overly simplistic and trivialising what people are experiencing.

And it's not about being MC or not either, per PP

I've always been poor. But I am feeling squeezed in a way now that feels almost intolerable. The 'I'm alright Jack' rhetoric, people's brash attitudes, the lack of community spirit is depressing. Ironically I think it all started with the 'We're all in this together' BS, gaslighting rhetoric of the David Cameron era. We were so NOT all in it together. The 'haves' have more, and more, and more. The 'don'ts' have less, and less and less. And that's enough by itself, but there's a superhyper capitalist "golden leaf falling to the ground is the same as a poor child dying" sort of background dialog to it all that feels cruel to me.

I'm also seeing a world wide crisis of poor leadership, MPs with no real principle, appealing to what donors, lobbyists, shareholders, big business and media tycoons want and not the wants of those they're supposedly representing.

Politicians who are increasingly removed from ordinary people. A media that is corrupt. Services being squeezed and increasingly restricted. Lack of opportunity.

Houses in the UK being bought up by big business abroad, restricting supply and house prices out of reach of the young, unless they have mum and Dad or the grandparents to help them with a deposit causing wider entrenched social inequality. Increasing nepotism in industries that pay well and provide opportunity.

University debts for the young, coupled with sky high private renting prices before they have a foot on the ladder going anywhere at all. Food banks and constant notices to donate food in shops. I also find a local shop for basics costs a LOT more proportionately of my money.

Nasty blaming rhetoric aimed at the vulnerable, disabled, struggling. Xenophobic language being used by politicians. Constant Left vs Right political rhetoric bleeding into and contaminating everything now. Having to feel you need to take a position for/against something with no shade of grey. Being pushed into an either/or stance. Lack of agreement, cooperation and working together between politicians downwards. It always seems adversarial now.

I don't watch TV and don't listen to radio. But I don't have to. That hasn't made a difference. It's there whether you try to engage with it or not.

But I do take the point and agree that people do not share enough of the positive, absolutely.

Great summary. I don’t watch the news anymore and rarely listen to the radio. I don’t engage with social media, but the attitudes from those mediums bleed into every aspect of society and that still affects me and my family greatly. Young people are carrying the millstone of social media round their necks whether they want to or not. Also phone addiction is poisoning everything.

Obsessedwithsourdough · 17/10/2024 13:49

Shakeoffyourchains · 17/10/2024 13:39

Why can my friends in Portugal, France and Italy get surgery and dental care either free or at 50% the price we pay and don't have to wait 3 years for it?
Why have we got potholed roads? the most expensive trains in Europe? less HCP's, beds and equipment than any comparable country in Europe? our kids wait 3 years for MH treatment...

Presumably because their populations voted for governments that prioritised those services over making profit for private companies and hold them to account if they fail to deliver.

The UK, it's government, and it's issues are largely a reflection of the public's will or rather, it's apathy.

From 2010 to 2019 we had almost a decade of austerity, where services were cut to the bone, assets sold to the highest bidder, national debt and taxes rose, and living standards fell for all.

What was the response from the public? To vote the same party back into power because they made the right noises about the non-issue of migration, who then rewarded us with more cuts, more debt and more taxes.

AND STILL almost 24% of the public voted for that party in 2024 (with a further 14% voted for something even worse).

Migration is not a non issue. Far from it.

LaurieFairyCake · 17/10/2024 13:51

Migration is a HUGE issue.

Because there is NOT ENOUGH MIGRANTS COMING IN

There's no one to do the fucking work, hundreds of thousands of jobs unfilled in London

Obsessedwithsourdough · 17/10/2024 13:59

Then we need to be doing those jobs ourselves. Reduce unemployment and benefits.

ByMerryKoala · 17/10/2024 14:00

Obsessedwithsourdough · 17/10/2024 13:59

Then we need to be doing those jobs ourselves. Reduce unemployment and benefits.

Give it a fortnight, it's coming.

Toronpo · 17/10/2024 14:00

ByMerryKoala · 17/10/2024 13:24

Miriam Cates said that society should adopt strategies to allow women to stay at home with young children. Obviously that's not going to fly given the economic imperative to have as many adults in work from either side of the house.

Oh gosh that’s interesting! Thanks for sharing!!

username3678 · 17/10/2024 14:01

Obsessedwithsourdough · 17/10/2024 13:59

Then we need to be doing those jobs ourselves. Reduce unemployment and benefits.

Then they need to pay more as people can't afford to do low paid work with rent prices and the cost of living crisis.

Obsessedwithsourdough · 17/10/2024 14:01

Toronpo · 17/10/2024 14:00

Oh gosh that’s interesting! Thanks for sharing!!

Why just women? Why not men equally?

Cremacreme · 17/10/2024 14:04

Then they need to pay more as people can't afford to do low paid work with rent prices and the cost of living crisis.

Exactly

ByMerryKoala · 17/10/2024 14:04

I don't know. That's just what I remember. Why don't you look it up, you have the whole world at your fingertips.

Toronpo · 17/10/2024 14:04

Obsessedwithsourdough · 17/10/2024 14:01

Why just women? Why not men equally?

You’re asking the wrong person there.

incidentally, I just ate half a loaf of sour dough!

feellikeanalien · 17/10/2024 14:05

We moved back to the UK from Portugal because DD has SN. There was no help for her in Portugal. We asked for her to be deferred starting school for a year which the school could have agreed to. They said no despite the fact that this was supported by her nursery and her paediatrician. I asked how they would support her. They said that if she could not cope they would keep her back a year.

I know that SEN provision in the UK is not ideal but here she is at a special school which is very supportive. The hospital she was born in had to close their paediatric emergency department for a while as they were short of staff. Property in the area we lived in is becoming more and more unaffordable for young Portuguese people .

I think that unless you have lived in another country it is easy to imagine that life is much better there, particularly because the weather is better. Yes a lot of things in the UK are terrible at the moment but I don't think anywhere is a utopia.

There also seems to be a rise in populist right wing parties in mainland Europe who are actually forming governments whether individually or in coalition. Every country has its positives and negatives and I just don't believe that the UK is this hellhole compared to our other European neighbours that many make it out to be.

ABirdsEyeView · 17/10/2024 14:18

If you want to fix the problem of too much immigration, governments need to invest in training our own people to do the jobs we are asking foreigners to do. And insist that employers pay them properly, so they can afford to live without state top ups.
I'm not sure why we've tolerated the state necessity of topping up wages, so a select few people can afford super yachts.
It's not right to take workers from other countries (esp ones poorer than ours), whose education and training has been paid for by their own taxpayers and who are needed in their own countries. We should be investing in our own people.
And if you are not disabled and are capable of working, you shouldn't be allowed to turn down a suitable job and claim benefits instead. But that suitable job should be paid properly - none of this exploitation of people and labelling it work experience!

Housing could be fixed overnight if we built mobile homes (nice ones) on brown field sites like all the derelict industrial estates. They are already connected to water/electricity supplies and could be added to bus routes etc. They are cheap to build and decent to live in. I'd happily live in one.

EasternStandard · 17/10/2024 14:27

LaurieFairyCake · 17/10/2024 13:51

Migration is a HUGE issue.

Because there is NOT ENOUGH MIGRANTS COMING IN

There's no one to do the fucking work, hundreds of thousands of jobs unfilled in London

It hasn’t been low though

And how do you see this working over time?

A bit like a Ponzi scheme it can only get higher

We need to keep increasing at a higher rate?

Cremacreme · 17/10/2024 14:34

We are not increasing at a higher rate. No one is arguing for that but we are heading for an upside down pyramid. Not exactly sustainable

LurkingFromTheShadows · 17/10/2024 14:34

I live in Germany and I'd love to move back "home" to the uk. I miss the people. So much. The friendliest, the culture.

But I can't bring myself to move my children away from a higher quality of life... My ds had 6 ear infections in the space of 3 months, and other health issues related to the enlarged adenoids. At the 2nd ear infection, he was referred by his paediatrician to ent (we were seen a week later ) and within 2 months, he had his adenoids out, tonsils filed back and is the picture of health now. Just one example from a range of reasons we're staying put for now. It all moved so fast.

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 14:35

Because of the tories that never put back into infrastructure they just took money from the tax payers to their cronies. Look at the ppe scandal in cOVID, for example, also, the austerity measures, Brexit has lost so much of our income. The right-wing press of how much they will try to convince people that you don't have to pay much tax, but then these same people will be like. Well, why is the NHS broken? Why are there no social care?Etcetera.
Neo, liberalism policy, it's not gonna work, it's a Pyramid scheme. The top get richer, but that spread of wealth does not go down to the bottom if you look at the g. Dp per actual person.It's not as much as other figures.Because the majority of the wealth in this country is owned by very few people.
I'll tell you what though people complain about Biden. From america, but in there economy, their growth rate is much better than ours is. Thur employment figures are brilliant to.

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 14:39

Also we need to do what new york did abiut little crimes need stopping as it seems there's a law and order problem in the uk because of police cuts because the tories but fuck me these same sort kf hang them and flog them still are very right wing even though the tory party oversaw so much crime going unchecked courts absolutely bursting

Vergus · 17/10/2024 14:41

@Cremacreme

how old are you?

42

Cremacreme · 17/10/2024 14:45

Yes I didn’t think you were young.

EasternStandard · 17/10/2024 14:45

Cremacreme · 17/10/2024 14:34

We are not increasing at a higher rate. No one is arguing for that but we are heading for an upside down pyramid. Not exactly sustainable

What are you after?

Always increasing?

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