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Ukraine Invasion: Part 52

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MagicFox · 10/10/2024 15:59

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DrBlackbird · 23/10/2024 21:57

So slightly off track, but @MissConductUS have you any insight into why Americans won’t support the Democrats because of the Middle East crisis given that Trump is a huge supporter of Isreal?

Has everyone forgotten that he recognised Jerusalem as the capital city, signed the presidential proclamation, and also ordered the relocation of the American diplomatic mission to Jerusalem. How on earth can Arab Americans not support Harris but could support Trump? And why isn’t the Harris campaign pointing this out?

MissConductUS · 23/10/2024 22:25

I think very few will actually vote for Trump. They are saying that they won’t vote for either, which in swing states like Michigan, where there are a lot of Arab American voters, might give Trump the majority in that state.

Igotjelly · 23/10/2024 22:40

I’ve got to say it’s all a bit close/ veering in the big orange oaf’s direction for me at the minute….

MissConductUS · 23/10/2024 22:58

What's got everyone so nervous is that the polls were badly wrong in 2016 and underestimated the Trump vote in 2020 as well. I know someone who attended Hillary Clinton's victory party in NYC in 2016. She was up 5% in the polls. The party was huge, with thousands attending in a convention center. There were famous musicians performing, copious champagne, etc.

Then the results came in.

TheSongOfNorway · 24/10/2024 08:19

blueshoes · 23/10/2024 10:31

@MissConductUS the S.Korean machine gun robots are terrifying. If set to fully autonomous mode, they are like Terminator 😱. I never knew S.Korea had such a robust defence industry. It is not just Samsung Galaxy and K-pop!

Secretly wishing the UK could learn from them in implementing long term defence goals.

In that vein, with the new UK - Germany defence pact can anyone confirm if we are sending both of our soldiers to Germany or just one of them? Is it Dan or Jack who we are sending?

blueshoes · 24/10/2024 09:04

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-23-2024

Key Takeaways:

  • The adoption of the Kazan Declaration on the second day of the BRICS summit in Kazan, Republic of Tatarstan on October 23 demonstrated that Russia has not yet secured the international support nor created the alternative security structure that the Kremlin desires.
  • People’s Republic of China (PRC) President Xi Jinping reiterated the PRC’s longstanding position calling for de-escalation in Russia’s war in Ukraine and discouraged the involvement of third parties in the war amid reports of Russia preparing to deploy North Korean troops to Ukraine. [Really?]
  • Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian reiterated Iran’s intentions to increase ties with Russia and the People’s Republic of China (PRC) at the BRICS Summit in Kazan, Russia, on October 23.
  • Russian forces have made significant tactical advances into and around Selydove in recent days, but the Russian military command's apparent focus on securing Selydove has come at the expense of Russian forces' ability to sustain a meaningful offensive drive directly on Pokrovsk β€” Russia's self-defined operational objective on this sector of the front.
  • The Pentagon and White House confirmed the deployment of North Korean troops to Russia.
  • Russia and Belarus announced plans to conduct the β€œZapad-2025” command staff exercise on an unspecified date in 2025 against the backdrop of deepening Russian-Belarusian security integration within the Union State framework.
  • Ukrainian and Russian forces recently advanced in Kursk Oblast.
  • Russian forces recently advanced near Kupyansk, Pokrovsk, and Vuhledar.
  • The Russian military is reportedly coercing Russian conscripts into contract service in the Russian military by issuing enlistment bonuses to conscripts who never signed military service contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).
blueshoes · 24/10/2024 09:13

Kyiv Independent Telegram highlights

⚑️Ukraine denies ( kyivindependent.com/ukraines-military-denies-russia-getting-into-line-of-ukrainian-defense-in-chasiv-yar/ ) Russia breached Chasiv Yar defense line following conflicting reports.

⚑️Ukraine's 'I Want to Live' project posts Korean-language video message (kyivindependent.com/ukraines-i-want-to-live-project-calls-on-north-korean-soldiers-to-surrender/), calls on North Korean soldiers to surrender. Launched in September 2022 by Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence, the 24-hour "I Want to Live" hotline helps Russian soldiers willingly surrender themselves or their units to the Ukrainian army.

⚑️Ukraine has stabilized situation (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-has-stabilized-situation-in-toretsk-but-russia-is-concentrating-troops-in-towns-east-ukrainian-military-says/) in Toretsk, but Russia is concentrating troops in town's east, military says.

⚑️UK prepares another group of future Ukrainian F-16 pilots (kyivindependent.com/uk-prepares-another-group-of-future-ukrainian-f-16-pilots-bringing-total-number-of-trainees-to-200/), bringing total number of trainees to 200. "The next step is advanced fast jet training and conversion to F-16 with partner nations,"

⚑️US to provide $20 billion loan (kyivindependent.com/us-to-provide-20-billion-loan-to-ukraine-as-part-of-g7-pledge/) to Ukraine as part of G7 pledge. Joe Biden's administration intends to split the funds between helping the Ukrainian economy and the military.

⚑️Ukraine risks delay (kyivindependent.com/mfa-ukraine-risks/) in receiving $4.3 billion instalment from EU's Ukraine Facility due to corruption reform shortcomings, Foreign Ministry says.

⚑️Multiple explosions heard in occupied Crimea around the city of Sevastopol, the Baydar Valley, and near Belbek military airfield.

⚑️Germany's Finance Minister suggests (kyivindependent.com/germanys-finance-minister-suggests-revising-legal-status-and-benefits-for-ukrainian-refugees/) revising legal status and benefits for Ukrainian refugees.

⚑️ North Korean troops fighting in Ukraine for Russia would be 'fair game,' (kyivindependent.com/north-korean-troops-fighting-in-ukraine-for-russia-are-fair-game-white-house-says/) White House John Kirby says.

⚑️At least 7 countries resisting (kyivindependent.com/at-least-7-countries-resist/) Ukraine's NATO membership invitation, Politico reports. Belgium, Slovenia and Spain are among seven NATO countries reluctant to grant Ukraine an invitation to join NATO, Politico reported on Oct. 23, citing four anonymous U.S. and NATO officials and diplomats.

⚑️Lukashenko dismisses (kyivindependent.com/lukashenko-dismisses-north-korean-troop-reports-says-it-would-escalate-russias-war-in-ukraine/) North Korean troop reports, says it would 'escalate' Russia's war in Ukraine.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 52
blueshoes · 24/10/2024 09:15

⚑️South Korea supplying weapons to Ukraine directly unlikely given legal hurdles, experts say

South Korea has hinted it could change its long-standing stance on not providing Ukraine directly with weapons in light of the dramatic escalation of North Korea's role in Russia's full-scale invasion.

So far, Seoul has only provided humanitarian and non-lethal military aid to Kyiv, but on Oct. 22, a South Korean government source suggested this could change, and the direct supply of arms was being considered.

However, experts who spoke to the Kyiv Independent say South Korea's position is unlikely to change soon, as Seoul is restricted by its own legislation.

https://kyivindependent.com/why-south-korean-weapons-are-unlikely-to-be-heading-directly-to-ukraine-anytime-soon/

South Korea supplying weapons to Ukraine directly unlikely given legal hurdles, experts say

South Korea has hinted it could change its long-standing stance on not providing Ukraine directly with weapons in light of the dramatic escalation of North Korea's role in Russia's full-scale invasion. So far, Seoul has only provided humanitarian and...

https://kyivindependent.com/why-south-korean-weapons-are-unlikely-to-be-heading-directly-to-ukraine-anytime-soon/

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 24/10/2024 10:23

United24 Media:

πŸ”Ή The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) has indicated that Russia is likely using the BRICS summit in Kazan as a platform to seek support for its war against Ukraine. The summit, attended by 36 world leaders, offers Russia a chance to strengthen global relations with non-Western countries. Meetings have already taken place between Russian President Vladimir Putin and leaders such as China's Xi Jinping, India's Narendra Modi, and South Africa's Cyril Ramaphosa.

The ISW suggests that Russia might use this event to finalize agreements and develop trade mechanisms that could help sustain its military campaign in Ukraine, thereby lessening the impact of Western sanctions. The summit is seen as a strategic effort by Russia to bolster international ties outside the Western bloc.

πŸ”Έ The Economist, citing Ukrainian intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov, reports that Russia has agreed to provide North Korea with financial assistance and nuclear technology in exchange for soldiers and missiles. Under an agreement made in June 2024 between Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un, Russia is set to help North Korea circumvent sanctions and enhance its nuclear capabilities through technological know-how. Additionally, the DPRK is supplying Russia with 1.8 million rounds of ammunition annually and has transferred ballistic missiles since late 2023.

North Korean troop deployment reportedly involves at least 500 officers and three generals, with forces expected to arrive in Russia's Kursk region on October 23. While the DPRK military’s experience in modern warfare remains uncertain, Budanov highlighted their potential ideological rigidity and motivation, as family members in North Korea could face severe consequences for any failures on the battlefield.

πŸ”Ή Ukrainian pilots have completed their training in the United Kingdom, as announced by Ukraine's Ambassador to the UK, Valerii Zaluzhnyi. Alongside Deputy State Secretary for the Armed Forces, Luke Pollard, Zaluzhnyi attended the graduation ceremony for the third cohort of Ukrainian Air Force pilots at the Royal Air Force base in Cranwell.

During the ceremony, Zaluzhnyi expressed his gratitude to the UK for its support in training the pilots, emphasizing that this effort provides Ukraine with a crucial advantage over its adversary. He conveyed his appreciation to the instructors and wished the newly trained pilots success and safety in their upcoming missions. The ambassador encouraged the graduates, stating, "We will pray, and you will fly, fight, and win."

πŸ”Έ The United Kingdom is set to provide an additional Β£120 million (approximately $155 million) to support Ukraine's naval defense. This funding aims to bolster the Coalition of Naval Forces and Means for Ukraine in response to the escalating Russian attacks on Ukrainian port infrastructure in the Black Sea.

πŸ”Ή UN Secretary General AntΓ³nio Guterres’ participation in the BRICS summit in Kazan has been justified by the organization as a matter of "great significance." Deputy Spokesman Farhan Haq responded to Ukraine's criticism by explaining that attending summits of key international groups, such as the BRICS, G7, and G20, is standard for the UN Secretary General due to the prominence of these organizations. Haq emphasized that BRICS represents around half of the world's population, making this meeting crucial for the UN's engagement.

Regarding the concerns raised by Ukraine's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Haq reiterated that Guterres’ stance on the Russia-Ukraine war remains unchanged. He stressed that the Secretary General would reaffirm his support for a just peace based on the UN Charter, international law, and relevant UN resolutions during any potential discussions with Russian officials. Furthermore, Guterres plans to meet Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy at a mutually convenient time, following their prior agreement in New York during the General Assembly.

Earlier, Ukraine's Foreign Ministry criticized Guterres' decision to attend the summit in Russia, pointing out his rejection of an invitation to Ukraine's Global Peace Summit in Switzerland. The ministry argued that this choice undermines the UN's credibility and does not aid the peace process.

πŸ”Έ The Crimea Platform continues to gather global momentum in supporting Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity within its recognized borders. Among key priorities, President Zelenskyy’s Peace Formula places a strong emphasis on securing the release of civilian prisoners in Crimea, ensuring their return to their families and restoring their freedom. Crimea isn’t just territory; it's about the people who deserve to reclaim their home, and Ukraine is fully committed to making that a reality.

πŸ”Ή The Council of the European Union has officially approved a mechanism to provide a loan of up to 35 billion euros to Ukraine. This loan will be funded through taxes on excess profits generated from frozen Russian assets. The decision aligns with a plan previously agreed upon by the G7 during their June summit, which outlined a $50 billion support package for Ukraine. The funds aim to help Ukraine cope with the economic challenges arising from the ongoing war, supporting reconstruction and other critical needs.

πŸ”Έ Great Britain and Germany have signed a landmark defense pact aimed at enhancing military cooperation across multiple domains, including air, land, sea, space, and cyberspace, according to the Associated Press. The agreement signifies a commitment to jointly develop advanced weapons and technologies while prioritizing areas such as long-range strike capabilities and drone technology that can perform on par with fighter jets.

As part of the pact, both countries will collaborate on protecting submarine cables in the North Sea, with German anti-submarine aircraft stationed at a Scottish base to patrol the North Atlantic. Additionally, Germany's Rheinmetall will establish a factory to produce artillery barrels using British steel.

The defense partnership also includes joint exercises focused on bolstering NATO's eastern flank and a continued commitment to supporting Ukraine. Specifically, Britain will outfit German Sea King helicopters for Ukraine with modern missile systems, signaling ongoing solidarity with Ukraine amid the ongoing conflict.

German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius emphasized that NATO allies remain committed to strengthening defense and deterrence capabilities under this agreement.

πŸ”Ή The Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs believes that Russia’s attempt to promote its neo-imperialist agenda regarding the global legal order and security at the BRICS summit was unsuccessful. The Ministry noted that Russia aimed to gain support for its stance amid the ongoing war against Ukraine but did not achieve significant backing.

According to Novaya Gazeta, the final summit declaration contained only a single mention of the war in Ukraine, highlighting the limited attention given to the issue despite Russia’s efforts to shape the discourse.

πŸ”Έ The Ukrainian military is set to receive a new silent ground drone called "Targan" (translated as "Cockroach"), according to the Ministry of Defense. Developed by Ukrainian engineers, this robotic complex is designed for stealthy operations on the battlefield. It is easily transportable in a minibus or on a car trailer and can carry up to 200 kilograms (approximately 440 pounds) of cargo.

Equipped with a silent electric motor, large rubber wheels, and special design features, the Targan can move inconspicuously over significant distances. Its versatility allows it to transport various supplies such as ammunition, food, or equipment, based on the military's needs.

πŸ”Ή Russia is reportedly reactivating and modernizing BRDM-2 armored reconnaissance vehicles, according to OSINT analyst Jompy, as cited by Defense24. After being deconserved, many of these vehicles are sent to the 103rd Armored Tank Repair Plant for repairs and upgrades.

The BRDM-2 is a Soviet-era reconnaissance vehicle with a crew capacity of four but lacks a designated troop compartment. It can be equipped with either a 14.5-mm KPVT heavy machine gun or a 7.62-mm PKT machine gun.

πŸ”Έ South Korean Foreign Minister Cho Tae-yeol warned that North Korea could face consequences under international criminal law based on the actions of its troops.

"We strongly condemn Russia and North Korea's illegal actions and want to make it clear that there will be consequences. We cannot continue business as usual with Russia while it persists in its unlawful invasion of Ukraine, violating the UN Charter and international law."

πŸ”Ή The U.S. has information about the arrival of 3,000 North Korean soldiers in Russia, said Kirby at a briefing.

According to him, they arrived by sea in Vladivostok and were then sent to various training units in eastern Russia, where they are currently undergoing training.

πŸ”Έ At the World Bank’s ministerial round table, Ukraine’s Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal highlighted the need to strengthen sanctions against Russia.

β€œUnfortunately, in July, Russia was classified as a High Income Country, alongside the world’s most developed nations. Last week, the World Bank raised its growth forecast for Russia in 2024 and 2025. We keep finding Western components in the remains of Russian missiles that kill Ukrainians, showing that the sanctions aren’t working as effectively as needed.

Decisive action is necessary to limit Russia’s ability to continue the war. We urge stronger primary and secondary sanctions on Russia’s financial sector, oil and gas sales, and technology sales.”

πŸ”Ή Retired Australian Major General Mick Ryan criticized those advocating for negotiations, calling them "so-called experts" with shallow thinking and no concrete plan.

In an interview with Voice of America, Ryan said that Putin has no interest in stopping the war or negotiating at this time. "He sees himself leading this war. So what's there to negotiate? The only option would be to surrender the captured territories, and that's not something he's willing to do," Ryan explained.

He added that Putin has been observing Western leaders' debates and policy-making for years and likely believes he can manipulate them. "Putin has exploited the notion that a Russian defeat would be worse than a Ukrainian one. The Russians have nothing to offer in negotiations right now, and getting them to the table would be extremely difficult."

Ryan also questioned what could actually be achieved if Ukraine and Russia were to negotiate. "Those calling for talks haven't presented a plan for negotiations or for enforcing a ceasefire. Which European military has shown the capability or willingness to stand between Ukrainian and Russian forces to guarantee a ceasefire?" he asked.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 24/10/2024 10:40

Live:Ukraine:

πŸ”Ή The UN Secretary-General has arrived in Russia and was welcomed with a traditional korovay – the bread typically offered to greet guests (photo 1)

One has to wonder if this korovay was made from wheat that Russia looted from Ukraine.

Once again, the UN appears to have no issue meeting with a criminal wanted by the Hague prosecutor.

πŸ‡§πŸ‡Ύ Lukashenko’s regime has decided to schedule the presidential β€œelections” in Belarus for January 26, 2025.

Following the fraudulent elections in August 2020, Lukashenko harshly suppressed mass protests. Since then, the country has no real opposition, independent media are blocked, and opponents of the regime are either imprisoned or in exile.

πŸ”Έ Halting Russian strikes on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure could be a step toward ending the war, according to President Zelensky.y.*_

He stated that if Russia stopped attacking energy facilities and civilian vessels, it would signal a willingness to cease hostilities. An agreement between Kyiv and Moscow to refrain from targeting each other’s energy infrastructure could serve as a form of de-escalation.

πŸ”Ή U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin has finally confirmeded_ that North Korean troops are present in Russia.*

β€œWe have evidence that there are North Korean troops who have gone to… Russia. What exactly they are doing there is still to be determined. But, yes, there is evidence of North Korean forces in Russia,” he said.

When asked by reporters about the purpose of these North Korean troops, Austin stated that the U.S. is still working to determine that.

β€œIf they are complicit in the war, if they intend to participate in this war on behalf of Russia, it is a very, very serious issue. It will have an impact not only in Europe but also on events in the Indo-Pacific region.”

πŸ”Έ As part of the β€œI Want to Live” project, North Korean soldiers were shown where they would live (in warm and well-lit facilities) and what they would eat (meat, vegetables, and bread) if they surrendered and ended up in captivity

They were encouraged to surrender now, as they won’t find better conditions in Russia.

πŸ”Ή Video of North Korean officers allegedly walking around Moscow is now circulating online, as reported by several Russia media outlets on October 23.

t.me/liveukraine_media/25601

❗️A terrorist attack occurred near an aerospace company’s factory in Turkey, resulting in fatalities and injuries.

Turkish Interior Minister Ali Yerlikaya announced the attack on the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TUSAŞ) facility in Ankara.

Media reports indicate explosions and gunfire, with initial information suggesting three attackers were involved, two of whom have already been neutralized.

πŸ”Έ Coooooool T-shirt (Zelensky wears a 'make russia small again' T-shirt - photo 2)

🀑 β€œI’ll take everything that’s mine”
A patch worn by Russian military personnel featuring an image of Alaska. (Photo 3)

πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΉAustria summoned the North Korean ambassador over reports of North Korean troops in Russia.

The ministry stated that the ambassador was called in to β€œexpress serious concern” regarding the reports of the presence of North Korean weapons and troops in Russia.

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΈGermany and the United States are among the major countries that have been slow to respond to Kyiv’s call for an immediate invitation to join NATO, though they do not entirely rule it out. However, there are other Alliance members who oppose the move, according to Politico, citing various sources.

Key members of the bloc remain concerned about being drawn into a war with Russia. Additionally, Hungary and Slovakia, whose governments generally hold pro-Kremlin positions, are also against it. The publication notes that there are other countries that are not eager to quickly respond to Kyiv’s request.

β€œCountries like Belgium, Slovenia, or Spain are hiding behind the backs of the U.S. and Germany. They don’t want to,” one NATO official told the publication. Another official noted that these countries β€œsupport the idea in the abstract, but as soon as it gets closer to materializing,” they will start opposing it more publicly.

πŸ”Ή Russian state TV presenter Sergei Mardan threatens Europe with nuclear terrorism

He lists cities in Britain and France that need to be destroyed by an atomic bomb. And says Russia could destroy nuclear power plants in France to turn Europe into a radioactive wasteland

t.me/liveukraine_media/25616

Ukraine Invasion: Part 52
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Ukraine Invasion: Part 52
MissConductUS · 24/10/2024 13:25

TheSongOfNorway · 24/10/2024 08:19

In that vein, with the new UK - Germany defence pact can anyone confirm if we are sending both of our soldiers to Germany or just one of them? Is it Dan or Jack who we are sending?

Dan and Jack are much too busy filling out redundancy paperwork. Barry has come out of retirement and gone in return for a free Oktoberfest holiday.

TheSongOfNorway · 24/10/2024 19:12

@MissConductUS Serious question now.

I have a close contact who is looking to go into the forces via a medical route. The plan is a UK medical degree, followed by a commission into the army. Their career choices surround being a surgeon, trauma wounds, tropical sicknesses, typical battlefield and natural disaster issues are things that fire them up. Choices are leading UK universities with full funding or without, but the latter widens the choices to other sectors charities, UN, and private or public sector. The army is the preferred route after degree. But we are wondering if the best set-up would be UK first then around age 30-35 switch to US to gain wider knowledge and skills and therefore opportunities to pay it back. Small fish in a bigger pool. Plus the US is where it all happens. Any ideas if this is a legitimate notion? No worries if not.

TheSongOfNorway · 24/10/2024 19:13

Other info - not dual nationals, UK only.

MissConductUS · 24/10/2024 19:42

TheSongOfNorway · 24/10/2024 19:12

@MissConductUS Serious question now.

I have a close contact who is looking to go into the forces via a medical route. The plan is a UK medical degree, followed by a commission into the army. Their career choices surround being a surgeon, trauma wounds, tropical sicknesses, typical battlefield and natural disaster issues are things that fire them up. Choices are leading UK universities with full funding or without, but the latter widens the choices to other sectors charities, UN, and private or public sector. The army is the preferred route after degree. But we are wondering if the best set-up would be UK first then around age 30-35 switch to US to gain wider knowledge and skills and therefore opportunities to pay it back. Small fish in a bigger pool. Plus the US is where it all happens. Any ideas if this is a legitimate notion? No worries if not.

Just for clarity, I'm an American, not a Brit, and not familiar with the medical education options available in the UK or the requirements for entry into the BA Medical Corps. That said, I'm sure the BA would be happy to have him or her. Doctors are always in short supply.

The U.S. Army actively recruits doctors, and they come in as officers (Majors, I believe). But to join the U.S. Army, someone must be either a U.S. citizen or permanent resident (aka green card holder). And to be inducted as a doctor, the person must have a U.S. license to practice medicine. Many doctors emigrate to the U.S. legally, pass a test, complete a medical residency and get licensed to practice here. If your contact goes through this process, the U.S. Army would be thrilled to have him or her. I would suggest your friend contact an Army recruiter for a deeper dive into the process. The Army recruiting website has a live chat function they can use to explore this further and a webpage specifically for the Army Medical Corps:

https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/medical

I hope this helps. If your friend is on MN, they can DM me with specific questions, but the Army recruiters are much more familiar with the process than I am.

Army Medical (AMEDD) Careers

AMEDD provides specialty careers in the Army medical field where leadership opportunities are extended to individuals with valuable health care experience. Learn if you’re ready for a medical career in the Army.

https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/medical

notimagain · 24/10/2024 19:42

@MissConductUS will be along v soon with chapter and verse but if the thinking is UK military transferring directly to US military I think it’s complex to say the least and US citizenship/permanent resident green card is a requirement.

Edit to add: sooner than I thoughtβ€¦πŸ˜„

MissConductUS · 24/10/2024 19:48

notimagain · 24/10/2024 19:42

@MissConductUS will be along v soon with chapter and verse but if the thinking is UK military transferring directly to US military I think it’s complex to say the least and US citizenship/permanent resident green card is a requirement.

Edit to add: sooner than I thoughtβ€¦πŸ˜„

Edited

😁

There is precedent for BA officers to be placed on TDY (temporary duty) within the U.S. Army in liaison or advisory roles. It was actually fairly common in Iraq and Afghanistan, particular in intelligence billets. But they remained members of the BA and would typically rotate out after a few months.

TheSongOfNorway · 24/10/2024 19:57

notimagain · 24/10/2024 19:42

@MissConductUS will be along v soon with chapter and verse but if the thinking is UK military transferring directly to US military I think it’s complex to say the least and US citizenship/permanent resident green card is a requirement.

Edit to add: sooner than I thoughtβ€¦πŸ˜„

Edited

πŸ˜‚ Those pesky Americans. First foot on, last foot off.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 24/10/2024 19:58

Probably a question for @MissConductUS and @notimagain

I'm in conversation with my Kharkiv friend who has been a frontline volunteer since the beginning. He has been complaining about the fact Ukraine has so far received six of the promised F16s (agreed 3 years ago) I suggested it was possibly a production and training issue. He replied...

"Well about F16, I have always been of the same opinion, there are many countries in the world that still use Mig 29 and Su 27, these are Soviet planes of the same years of production as F16, so I say Ukraine does not need F16 we need planes that could perform tasks on defence of Ukrainian territories and Mig 29 and Su 27 would cope with these tasks, and on these planes Ukrainian pilots already know how to fly.
If we were given these aeroplanes and the countries from which these aeroplanes were taken away were given F16s and let them learn as much as necessary."

I just wondered what you made of his theory. I have to say he feels very deflated on the weapons side, both in the giving and receiving as he believes corruption of officials at top level is still rife and weapons and tech do not always make it to the frontline.

TheSongOfNorway · 24/10/2024 20:06

@MissConductUS Thank you so much. Your posts are clear and concise. You won't get a DM because he is too busy with studies and doing life stuff. He is well grounded and I think he would flourish in a bigger pool. He is just different. There are family army connections going back to 1812, but he is clearly motivated by the world today rather than tradition. I have two contacts, NZ and Canadian, who transferred to the BA when I was in and did similar. Of course it is different with the Commonwealth. But I sense and have heard there are options. To be honest I think the best contribution one could make to the BA is get experience in the US Army and bring those skills home. We are so hollowed out now, and those NCO skills are rapidly being lost. It is a disaster.

notimagain · 24/10/2024 20:23

@Hillsmakeyoustrong

It’s a fair observation, as I recall it Slovakia and Poland donated Mig-29s early on in the conflict, I don’t know if anybody else donated ex-Soviet airframes in the hope of getting an F-16 backfill….I suspect one issue for many countries neighboring Ukraine would have been do you inflict a complete re equipment process on your own Air Force (and we now see what that involves) when there’s a war going on near at hand? That’s one for the politicians.

It’s true that the F-16, Mig29 and Su27 are roughly similar era but I’m not sure the two Soviet designs have had anything like the upgrades (even mid -life upgrades) the F-16s have over the years, and of course the F-16 will be compatible with a whole load of NATO ordnance β€œout of the box”, whereas the UAF have had to engage in some quite ingenious engineering to ensure compatibility with some NATO systems.

IMHO the F-16 was a sensible decision but yes, it should have been in theatre quicker…Now it is for all we know might already be paying dividends, who knows, but I can understand your friends concerns.

MissConductUS · 24/10/2024 20:27

The relentless downsizing of the BA is very discouraging to us in the U.S. as well. There is a long tradition of the U.S. Army and the BA training and fighting together. West Point and Sandhurst have cadet exchange programs, and many special schools like the Army War College have standing places for BA officers. I can only hope that the UK finds a way to reverse the trend. There can come a point where so much institutional knowledge is lost that it's hard to recover from.

If there is a path for your friend into the Army Medical Corps that I'm not familiar with, the recruiters on goarmy.com will certainly be aware of it.

I had to google "First foot on, last foot off". πŸ˜€

Llttledrummergirl · 24/10/2024 20:50

@TheSongOfNorway is he in the UK?

When ds1 was in school I spoke to the army recruiters about entry as a vet which was a similar route.

An option was to sign up while in 6th form, they would receive some financial support through those years and then Β£40,000 when they graduated. There would be some commitment from them required through those years and on graduation it was 3 years in the army as an officer.

This was 8 years ago though so I'm not sure if this has changed.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 24/10/2024 20:58

Thankyou @notimagain I have relayed your response. He has just replied to say that it has given him some food for thought, I think he was a little reassured even. My feeling from the number of Ukrainians I speak with is that they are feeling forgotten. Of course they are tunnel visioned and very jaded by being at war and I have suggested that other wars and US/UK elections mean leaders are distracted as opposed to uncaring but then I wonder if I am naive?! It is all so mind boggling.

TheABC · 24/10/2024 20:59

@TheSongofNorway, my sister is a BA Medical Doctor. She did her degree and then Sandhurst. Its not for the faint of heart - there is ferocious competition to get in (especially if you want an Army scholarship) and I recommend your relative joining the Cadets if he or she has not already.

The good news is that the Medical Corp is being reorganised as they want to retain the skilled professionals for as long as possible. I can't comment on the US side.

TheSongOfNorway · 24/10/2024 21:03

@Llttledrummergirl (just noticed the Welsh version of your username...).

Interesting, thank you. That sounds like quite a commitment on both sides by virtue of veterinary medicine having a longer period to qualify. Our regimental vet was a major at 28 but exceptional in his veterinary and military contribution. Melton Mowbray, 1984 - unique place. My contact is definitely human medicine but looks like those avenues may still exist. Will start tapping up people.

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