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Ukraine Invasion: Part 52

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MagicFox · 10/10/2024 15:59

Welcome to 52. Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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Igotjelly · 25/11/2024 10:16

But nice try πŸ‘

herecomesautumn · 25/11/2024 10:26

UnsympatheticCharacter · 25/11/2024 10:10

I’ve seen in my X feed a video of Ukrainians taking down & destroying a monument to Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya in Chernihiv.

She was a Soviet partisan who was executed by the Germans in 1943.

AIBU to think this is disgraceful behaviour by the Ukrainians to do this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoya_Kosmodemyanskaya

I can't see it in my x feed.

I'm more disgusted by what the russian barbarians are doing to real life people in Chernihiv

But you do you

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 25/11/2024 10:36

Live:Ukraine

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Senator Lindsey Graham on Trump’s "deal" for Ukraine:

"Ukraine is Europe’s richest country in rare mineralsβ€”worth $2-7 trillion. That’s why the U.S. must help Ukraine win against Russia. Trump’s plan ensures a strong economic partnership, benefiting both nations: peace, rare minerals, and prosperity. A win-win deal."

πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡· Turkey’s closure of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles under the Montreux Convention since the start of the full-scale invasion prevented Russia from leveraging its naval advantage to capture Odesa, Mykolaiv, and other territories

β€œWe sank one β€œMoskvaβ€œ but two other Russian cruisers were waiting in the Mediterranean. Turkey’s decision to close the straits prevented Russia from using its naval superiority to occupy Odesa, Mykolaiv, and other regions targeted in Moscow’s plans for sea operations”, said Ukraine’s ambassador to Turkey, Vasyl Bodnar.

πŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺ Russia produces as much weaponry and ammunition in three months as the entire EU does in a year, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius stated

Putin has β€œfully transitioned to a wartime economy.” He warned that Europe faces a long-term threat, emphasizing that Russia’s war against Ukraine β€œis no longer a regional conflictβ€œ - said Pistorius

πŸ‡·πŸ‡ΊRussia recruited hundreds of Yemenis to fight in Ukraine – FTFT_*

The publication cites mercenaries who say they were promised high-paying jobs in Russia and Russian citizenship. Yemenis were lured with promises of work in β€œsecurity” and β€œengineering” sectors but were forced to sign contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense upon arrival and sent to the frontlines.

Some Yemenis claim they were deceived or coerced into being sent to the Ukrainian border, where, after minimal training, they were deployed to the battlefield. Many have died, and the recruits describe the practice as fraud and human trafficking.

πŸ‡°πŸ‡· South Korea pledges $6 Million to support Ukraine’s β€œgrain from Ukraine” Initiative

South Korea plans to allocate $6 million to the World Food Programme initiative, which delivers Ukrainian grain to countries vulnerable to hunger and drought. The announcement was made by South Korea’s Second Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kang In-sun, during a session on the initiative, as reported by Yonhap.

On November 23, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that the initiative has helped save 20 million people from hunger since its inception.

πŸ”Ή Russian bloggers note the alleged absence of damage to the Yuzhmash plant in Dnipro, which was attacked by the mega-missile "Oreshnik," something the so-called president of Russia has been boasting about for days

"November 24, 2024
Dnipro, Ukraine
Satellite images of Yuzhmash, which was struck by the "Oreshnik" missile, have surfaced.

The workshops are intact; nothing has been "reduced to dust." However, it seems the private residential area above took some damage."

πŸ”Έ Russian Sukhoi Superjet 100 catches fire after landing in Antalya

A Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft of the Azimuth airline caught fire after landing in Antalya, according to Turkish outlet HavaSosyalMedya. The plane had arrived from Sochi, and the fire is suspected to have started in one of the engines. The flames have been extinguished.

There were 79 people on board, and preliminary reports indicate no injuries, RIA Novosti writes. Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency has announced an investigation into the β€œaviation incident.

❗️Fortifications builtlt_ near Zaporizhzhia in anticipation of Russian offensive – The Economist*

Ukrainian intelligence suggests that Russia may be preparing for a bold assault on the city of Zaporizhzhia, located about 30 kilometers from the front lines.

β€œThe work is meticulousβ€”minefields, engineering barriers, concrete, and iron fortificationsβ€”unlike the more chaotic scene in neighboring Donetsk, where the fiercest battles are still raging,” The Economist reports.

However, not all Ukrainian military officials believe an attack is inevitable.

Colonel Oleksiy Khilchenko, commander of the Spartan Rapid Reaction Brigade recently deployed in Zaporizhzhia, notes that Russia is engaged elsewhere. According to him, Russian plans initially involved deploying two divisions (20,000–30,000 troops) for the assault, but half of those forces have been redirected to Russia’s Kursk oblast.

β€œLemberg,” a battalion commander in the 118th Brigade defending the southwestern part of Zaporizhzhia Oblast, shares a similar view.

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Trump’s future advisor calls the war in Ukraine a β€œMeat Grinder” that must be stopped

Florida Congressman Mike Waltz, during an appearance on Fox News Sunday, commented on the Biden administration’s decision to allow Ukraine to use anti-personnel landmines. Waltz referred to these as β€œsmart mines” but emphasized that the decision should be part of a broader strategy to end the conflict.

β€œThis is just an absolute meat grinder of people and equipment on this front. It’s more akin to World War I trench warfare”, Waltz said.

When asked why Trump does not frequently discuss the situation in Ukraine publicly, Waltz assured that the former president is concerned about escalation and its potential trajectory.

β€œWe need to bring this to a responsible end… We need to restore deterrence, restore peace, and get ahead of this escalation instead of reacting to itβ€œ, Waltz stated.

🀑 A Russian woman stated on Russian television that life in the part of the Kursk region under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was β€œvery difficult.”

Prior to this, she expressed gratitude to Ukrainian soldiers for providing food and even assisting during her daughter’s childbirth.

πŸ”Ή Russia has launched 800 guided aerial bombs, around 460 strike drones, and over 20 missiles of various types against Ukraine last week alone – Zelensky

πŸ‡±πŸ‡Ή Lithuania has delivered a new package of military aid to Ukraine, including generators, spare parts for M113 armored personnel carriers, weapons, and ammunition

Earlier this year, Lithuania supplied Ukraine with:

β–ͺ️155mm ammunition;

β–ͺ️M113 armored personnel carriers;

β–ͺ️Counter-drone systems;

β–ͺ️Winter equipment and warm clothing;

β–ͺ️Ammunition for the β€œCarl Gustaf” anti-tank grenade launcher;

β–ͺ️The RISE-1 remote detonation system.

Since the start of the full-scale invasion, Lithuania has provided military assistance to Ukraine worth over €705 million.

*❗️Russian terrorists struck Odesa, damaging civilian infrastructure, including residential buildings. There are reports of casualties, according to the Regional Military Administration (OVA).
*

UnsympatheticCharacter · 25/11/2024 10:39

herecomesautumn · 25/11/2024 10:26

I can't see it in my x feed.

I'm more disgusted by what the russian barbarians are doing to real life people in Chernihiv

But you do you

I saw it after clicking the β€œFor You” tab. As PP said, it’s an old video from April 2022:

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/1517865931971694592?lang=en

x.com

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/1517865931971694592?lang=en

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 25/11/2024 10:52

United24 Media:

πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί The President of the European Parliament, Roberta Metsola, has urged Germany to expedite the transfer of Taurus missiles to Ukraine, DW reports.

β€œUkraine cannot wait forever,” Metsola stated, emphasizing the urgency as Ukraine’s military faces time constraints. She also highlighted that the European Parliament backs this call.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Defense Minister Boris Pistorius, however, have resisted the transfer, citing concerns about escalating Germany’s involvement in the war and doubts that the missiles would significantly alter the situation.

πŸ”Ή 95% of Released Ukrainian Defenders Were Tortured in Russian Captivity β€” Andriy Yusov, HUR Representative

Andriy Yusov, a representative of Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence (HUR), stated that nearly all Ukrainian defenders released from Russian captivity experienced torture.

According to Yusov, Russia has established a systematic approach to violating prisoners’ rights. Torture was not primarily used to extract information but to crush resistance, destroy personalities, and humiliate dignity. Specialized personnel are reportedly trained for this purpose.

He criticized the lack of enforcement of the Geneva Conventions, noting that monitoring organizations like the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) have been largely ineffective. Russia, he said, hinders the ICRC’s access to detention facilities and exchanges while the organization’s response remains insufficiently proactive.

Since the full-scale invasion began, there have been 58 prisoner exchanges, allowing nearly 4,000 Ukrainians to return home. However, Yusov emphasized that thousands remain in captivity, including both military personnel and civilians, and urged continued efforts to secure their release.

πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡· Erdogan to Meet NATO Secretary General Rutte to Discuss Ukraine War β€” Reuters

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is scheduled to meet NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte on Monday in Ankara to discuss the ongoing war in Ukraine. Specific details of the meeting have not been disclosed.

Erdogan has previously criticized the U.S. decision to provide Ukraine with long-range missiles, arguing that it could escalate the conflict further.

He has also reiterated TΓΌrkiye’s readiness to serve as a negotiating platform for talks between Kyiv and Moscow, emphasizing Ankara’s role in seeking a diplomatic resolution.

πŸ”Έ Russia Allegedly Deceives Hundreds of Yemenis into Fighting in Ukraine β€” FT

The Financial Times reports that Yemeni citizens were recruited under false pretenses, brought to Russia, and forcibly enlisted into the military to fight in Ukraine.

A document dated July 3, signed by the head of a recruitment center in Nizhny Novgorod, may serve as evidence of the alleged contract. The report claims at least 200 Yemenis were recruited in this manner.

The recruitment is believed to have been facilitated by the Houthis, who are reportedly seeking to strengthen ties with Moscow.

πŸ”Ή Russia is integrating artificial intelligence into Shahed drones to create swarms capable of coordinating attacks to overwhelm Ukrainian air defenses, The Guardian reports.

On Thursday, Russia used an Oreshnik medium-range ballistic missile for the first time, targeting Dnipro. The attack drew global attention, and on Sunday, Volodymyr Zelenskyy highlighted the rising number of strikes by Shahed drones.

The Ukrainian president stated that 50 out of 73 drones launched on Sunday night were intercepted. In the previous week, Russia had launched a total of 460 Iranian-made drones into Ukrainian airspace.

β€œUkraine is not a weapons testing ground. Ukraine is a sovereign and independent state. But Russia continues its efforts to kill our people, sow fear and panic, and weaken us,” Zelenskyy said in a statement on Sunday morning.

Ukraine reports that Russia has established two factories to produce the Shahed 136 delta-wing dronesβ€”known in Moscow as Geran-2β€”in Tatarstan, about 1,600 kilometers from the Ukrainian border. According to a government source in Kyiv, production is running at β€œhundreds per week.”

These drones are often deployed as soon as they are ready. While easier to shoot down or neutralize than high-speed missiles, they tie up Ukraine’s air defenses and can inflict significant damage with their 50-kilogram warheads when they reach their targets.

Russia is continually modifying its drones to make them more lethal. Earlier this month, the Ukrainian military released footage of a thermobaric warhead, which produces a fiery explosion with temperatures reaching approximately 2,000 degrees Celsius. Such warheads are particularly devastating when detonated inside buildings.

Ukrainian military sources suggest that Russia is working to integrate artificial intelligence into its drones to create β€œswarms.” These swarms would allow the Shaheds to communicate and coordinate attacks more effectively, potentially overwhelming air defenses. However, the effectiveness of this technology remains unclear.

Zelenskyy emphasized Ukraine’s need for additional air defense systems to counter these growing threats.

β€œWe are working with our partners on this. Strengthening the protection of our skies is extremely important,” he said.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian specialists are developing cost-effective FPV drones, priced under $1,000, to intercept Shaheds. However, their efforts face challenges, as the turbulent airflow generated by the Shahed in flight significantly disrupts the smaller FPV drones’ navigation.

πŸ”Έ The world is ruled by the elderly. Zelenskyy is one of the youngest leaders β€” The Economist.

The advanced age of many world leaders became evident in 2024, when 81-year-old Joe Biden withdrew from the US presidential race amid concerns about his mental acuity.

Americans then elected Donald Trump, who is 78 and also far from young.

However, Biden is not the world’s oldest leader. Paul Biya, who has governed Cameroon since 1982, is now 91.
In the world’s two most populous countries, China and India, leaders are also in their 70s.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy stands out as one of the youngest leaders, at just 46 years old.

Over the past five decades, the average age of leaders globally has risen from 55 to 62.

In democracies, however, the trend is reversing. The average age of freely elected leaders is now 59, slightly younger than it was 50 years ago.

Meanwhile, the global shift toward older leaders is most pronounced in autocracies. The average autocrat is now 64β€”12 years older than in 1975.

This is unsurprising, as autocratic leaders have historically been reluctant to relinquish power.

πŸ”Ή European countries have resumed discussions on the possible deployment of troops to Ukraine β€” Le Monde.

As the war in Ukraine escalates, Western nations have reopened discussions about deploying troops and private defense companies to Ukraine. These sensitive talks, most of which are classified, have gained urgency amid concerns about the potential withdrawal of U.S. support for Kyiv if Donald Trump assumes the U.S. presidency on January 20, 2025.

The debate, initially proposed by French President Emmanuel Macron during a February meeting in Paris, faced strong opposition from several European nations, led by Germany. However, the idea β€œhas not been shelved.” According to Le Monde, it has gained renewed momentum in recent weeks, particularly following British Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s visit to France during the November 11 celebrations.

"Negotiations are underway between Great Britain and France on defense cooperation, aimed at forming a strong coalition of European allies with a focus on Ukraine and broader European security," a British military source told Le Monde.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 25/11/2024 11:05

UnsympatheticCharacter · 25/11/2024 10:10

I’ve seen in my X feed a video of Ukrainians taking down & destroying a monument to Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya in Chernihiv.

She was a Soviet partisan who was executed by the Germans in 1943.

AIBU to think this is disgraceful behaviour by the Ukrainians to do this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoya_Kosmodemyanskaya

Welcome to Mumsnet πŸ˜‚
How do you feel about bombing, rape and torture of civilians? Double tap bombings to maximise responder deaths? Execution of POW? I could go on ....

UnsympatheticCharacter · 25/11/2024 11:17

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 25/11/2024 11:05

Welcome to Mumsnet πŸ˜‚
How do you feel about bombing, rape and torture of civilians? Double tap bombings to maximise responder deaths? Execution of POW? I could go on ....

Obviously, those are bad!

And from the CBS video you can also see shell damage to the school that the statue is in front of.

So that’s some context.

Looks like I fell for the Russian propoaganda on X.

Igotjelly · 25/11/2024 11:33

UnsympatheticCharacter · 25/11/2024 11:17

Obviously, those are bad!

And from the CBS video you can also see shell damage to the school that the statue is in front of.

So that’s some context.

Looks like I fell for the Russian propoaganda on X.

In fairness to you that’s why I stopped using X a while ago, it’s pure pro-Russian garbage these days.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 25/11/2024 12:15

I actually think it slightly is a shame, but in the context of the mass destruction of property, and worse, people and culture in Ukraine (Russians denying Holodomor, tearing down Ukrainian monuments, destroying UNESCO sites, flooding huge swathes of land with probably hundreds dead, tens of thousands dead in Mariupol judging by the mass graves, book burnings of Ukrainian books in occupied territories, press-ganging the men from occupied territories, rape and killing of women, men and children, the constant torture and murder of POWs) it's also kinda understandable.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 25/11/2024 12:19

(I realise that's coming down hard on you! unfortunately all these things are true)

I do think that there are number of war crimes carried out by Ukrainians, but they are less advertised. However, the vast majority are committed by Russians ... and frankly, they initiated all this horror.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 25/11/2024 14:30

Apologies to @UnsympatheticCharacter if you are posting in good faith, we get a lot of russian bots on this thread!

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 25/11/2024 15:47

The thing is, even if it were a recent video, so what? It's completely understandable that Ukrainians would want to remove every single bit of anything Russian from their orbit.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/11/2024 15:49

Many of them don't want to speak Russian any more, even if they have been Russian speakers all their lives, after all. A mere statue (which won't bleed to death under the rubble of its home) is entirely by-the-way.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/11/2024 16:03

I noticed, by the way, that the building behind the statue (which was said to be "in front of a school") seemed in the video to have been bombed out and be unoccupied. I wonder whether it was occupied by teachers and children when those bombs landed, given the targetting of civilians the Russians have been doing ever since their unprovoked attack on and invasion of a neighbouring country.

MissConductUS · 25/11/2024 19:20

ATACMS continues to do God's work in Kursk. A military airfield was hit today by five of the missiles with cluster munition warheads. While reportedly no aircraft were present, the base was being used as a headquarters location and ammunition storage site.

www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-strikes-russia-cluster-atacms-152513683.html

WinterMorn · 25/11/2024 19:28

β€œGod’s work” ….love it!

MissConductUS · 25/11/2024 21:21

There's video of the attack on social media. You can see that the attacks were not contiguous, which means that there were multiple discreet areas targeted. Each missile carries about 900 individual munitions, each the size of a grapefruit.

The secondary explosions were either from an ammunition storage area or the S-400 complex that was attacked.

Anyone within 200 meters of one of those impacts had a very bad day.

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Igotjelly · 25/11/2024 21:27

I see that the Germans are working towards an app identifying bomb shelters for their population and encouraging people to convert basements. Part of me thinks this is worrying, another part thinks it’s very sensible and is annoyed the UK aren’t doing something similar!

notimagain · 25/11/2024 21:38

Igotjelly · 25/11/2024 21:27

I see that the Germans are working towards an app identifying bomb shelters for their population and encouraging people to convert basements. Part of me thinks this is worrying, another part thinks it’s very sensible and is annoyed the UK aren’t doing something similar!

An Apps all very well but first you need the bomb shelters and the basements.

I don’t think the Uk has ever had many of the former for the general population and these days houses with basements are not that common.

I’m probably mistaken but I think back in the Cold War days some European mainland countries made a having basement pretty much mandatory as part of the building code.

Igotjelly · 25/11/2024 21:50

notimagain · 25/11/2024 21:38

An Apps all very well but first you need the bomb shelters and the basements.

I don’t think the Uk has ever had many of the former for the general population and these days houses with basements are not that common.

I’m probably mistaken but I think back in the Cold War days some European mainland countries made a having basement pretty much mandatory as part of the building code.

There is a fair bit round my way but it’s lots of ex mining houses etc with coal bunkers.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 25/11/2024 21:54

We have a basement but it's not up to much seeing as the house is wooden. My DD has a fallout/bomb shelter in the basement of her apartment building but she's 3 hours away. So I'll be lying on the sofa with my cat, finishing off my jar of nutella if Putin wants me.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 25/11/2024 22:01

@BringBackCoffeeCreams rightly or wrongly that made me laugh πŸ˜‚

Lisbeth50 · 25/11/2024 22:17

notimagain · 25/11/2024 21:38

An Apps all very well but first you need the bomb shelters and the basements.

I don’t think the Uk has ever had many of the former for the general population and these days houses with basements are not that common.

I’m probably mistaken but I think back in the Cold War days some European mainland countries made a having basement pretty much mandatory as part of the building code.

I remember going to Switzerland in the 1980s and every new house had to have a nuclear shelter built at the same time.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 25/11/2024 23:03

Igotjelly · 25/11/2024 21:27

I see that the Germans are working towards an app identifying bomb shelters for their population and encouraging people to convert basements. Part of me thinks this is worrying, another part thinks it’s very sensible and is annoyed the UK aren’t doing something similar!

Hrm. We all meet water two feet under our houses (not joking, either!) D'you think that if we make basement swimming pools, the water will protect us?

Edited: Two feet on a good day. After a storm, it's 9 inches.

Llttledrummergirl · 25/11/2024 23:08

We had a basement in our flat when we lived in Germany in the 1980s. All flats did, I think it was a legal requirement (but I was under 10 so could be wrong). The flats are empty now since the British Army pulled out, but google maps shows they are still there, and I guess the basements still work.

I dropped the idea of building a shelter in the garden to dh after reading that, he wasConfusedHmm

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