I thought it would be easier to find a nursery with a no outdoor shoes policy !!

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Every one so far that I’ve looked at they all wear outdoor shoes inside meaning the carpets and rugs are not clean ? I thought they would be outdoor shoes off at the door for children and staff and just clean indoor shoes inside ?

is it really that unusual ? It’s a deal breaker for me but I need to find one !!

Why does OP need to address these faux diagnoses? Faux in the sense that they don’t come from a medical professional, but from internet randoms. Perhaps she’s ignoring those comments because they are haranguing and hyperbolic? Maybe she is addressing them in private. You can’t demand she responds to a particular point.

Don't people have doormats and wipe their feet on coming in anymore?

Maybe because it’s none of your business? It’s not what she asked advice on.

If you post slightly unhinged stuff on a forum, then expect to be challenged on it.

The pavements are not cover in shit and phlegm. She needs help

I live in London, just washed dog shit away from outside my front door. I do this several times a week because some swine people don’t pick up after their dog. There is a dog waste bin about 10 feet away.
We have shoes off policy in the house. I don’t think dog waste on the floor is healthy in terms of “building immune system”. I’d be fine if my kids were “allergic” to dog poop.

i don’t have OCD.

A London borough

the pavements are disgusting. People spit ALL the time. Regular spit and pleghm we also have orangey brown paan spit everywhere. Dog poo is a massive problem too. Food waste especially on bin days as we have small caddy type bins and foxes often tip them over so there’s mouldy food everywhere. It’s really really unpleasant

She says they have a mud kitchen in the garden. What about cat shit, mouse shit, bird shit? They will be touching that with their hands. So long as people was their hands occasionally it's perfectly safe.

How about moving then because your kids are going to come into contact with the pavements all the time.

Obviously some things are unavoidable that’s fine but I just draw a line at anything that’s been in the pavement locally ! My garden is slightly different !

We can’t afford to and we are here because it’s better for work ! I know when they are older it’s easier but little ones are crawling / eating things they shouldn’t etc so u try to be more careful up till school age

OP - why don't you get a childminder or a nanny share? I think they're much more likely to stick to the "no shoes indoors" policy as less kids to manage

Ok. Your choice. I hope you find a nursery you are happy with.

I’m going to look into that as well as Montessori nurseries

Thankyou for the giggle OP. I have a toddler in nursery and outdoor shoes are the least of my worries 😂

Do you think everyone who lives in Asian countries, for example, where kids where slippers in a classroom or take their shoes off inside their homes don’t sit on grass or let their kids?
Yes, I let my kids sit on grass and play with mud/soil. Yes, I understand the benefits of being exposed to things in soil. And to wide arrays of bacteria etc.
My children spent most of their summer barefoot in our friends garden.
My children are exposed to all sorts of things and I have taken time to understand what builds robustness in a human body, in an immune system and gut health and all the rest of it.
Not being a fan of your children sitting on floors unnecessarily where a large amount of footfall passes directly from an area also with high footfall in an urban environment or being the kind of person who just puts my kids shoes on when they go into a public toilet (if we happen to be somewhere where they have shoes off) does not make me the kind of person who doesn’t let my sit on grass.
Yes, there can be remnants of dog shit on grass. The way that operates in the open natural space of a park is different to the way it works on concrete. But aside from that, as with anything you just - without even being conscious of it - weigh things up. There is lots of benefit to my kids both physically, mentally, socially etc with being able to freely sit in a park wherever they like. And even if there was no benefit - which there is in abundance- then there isn’t a practical or good alternative. But clearly there is no benefit to kids sitting on a carpet and as you know kids put their hands on the carpet, touch everything, and then they don’t wash their hands before lunch as opposed to just sitting on small chairs in a circle. There is no single benefit to being on the floor. Just that schools most often don’t have the space/resources to move chairs of if they don’t have extra chairs. In my kids class they just have chairs at their tables. No extras. And no money for extras. Clearly you can’t ask 30 seven year olds to move those chairs twice a day for carpet time. Not practical.

I am sure my children wore slippers at nursery. I am another shoes off indoor person 😉

Why would it be common it's not normal

As well as hats, gloves, coats....and doing it all again when they come back in...

Her child isn't allowed to explore any outdoor environment except their own garden, something about that is not right..

As others have said, Montessori is probably the answer here but in my experience Montessori nurseries tend to have short hours, similar to a school day. I was keen on the idea of Montessori but couldn't find one which was compatible with the working day.

My child's Montessori nursery has this rule - though it's not strongly enforced if a child doesn't want to swap.

You’ve got a point with this, it’s just the way little ones crawl about on the floor and then their hands are in their mouth all the time as well 🤢 I didn’t think about it so much tbh though with my (now 9 year old) and when he started nursery he was so ill so often, he must have spent a few days a month up all night being sick. I should have been more fussy, his nursery had kids escape twice walking down the road! Anyway like someone mentioned you’ll probably be better off with a child minder.

We’ve been on holiday to the beach etc, the splash park I’m not stopping them being outdoors but sadly where we live it’s filthy. All the parks are covered in dog poo as well or glass and litter on the grass it’s just not safe unfortunately so we are limited

I think you are totally exaggerating. All the parks are not covered in poo and glass. I think you really do have a problem. Please don't project it onto your children.

At my nursery thwre are loads of parents dropping at 7:30 and running (literally) for trains

Aint nobody got time for shoe faff