Italy moves towards Chemical Castration

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100% agree with this and wish we would do this in UK, if rapists and paedophiles wish to live in society, they need to have their sexual urges removed. My own opinion is that therapy and rehabilitation does not work for these offenders. I was unfortunate to cross paths with a paedophile as a child and all they care about is sexual gratification.

Attempts at rehab do not seem to work, that is true. But whether chemicals are the answer I do not know.

Chemical castration removes the physical ability to get an erection but does not remove the psychological desire to dominate and overpower a victim - they can still abuse by other means.

But I also believe that forcing damaging chenicals into someone is fundamentally inhumane. When dealing with abhorrent individuals our own ethics must be beyond reproach. Keeping them locked up in prison but with their bodily integrity intact is appropriate and proportional. Violating their bodies to save the state the cost of imprisoning them is not.

Might sound harsh but if they are at risk of violating a child's (or adult's if it's a rapist) mind and body they deserve it.
Understand that it may not remove the psychological desire but if it removes the sexual urge, part of the problem is sorted and that's good enough for me.

I agree OP 100%. It is still possible for perpetrators to abuse, but chemical castration decreases testosterone which also seems to reduce the desire to dominate and abuse (from some old research I saw out of Norway I think it was).

Women and children's bodily integrity and safety should trump these men's bodily integrity because we know these men are often released back into society.

It doesn't remove the sexual urge, that's the problem. So you have potentially violent people with an urge that they cannot fulfil. Are you really happy at the prospect that you will be putting people on the streets who have the potential to kill and maim?

The man who abused me has quite severe erectile dysfunction but that did not protect me from his abuse

he still raped me aided by viagra type drug and used other means to abuse sexually (in addition of course to the other types of abuse employed by him)

if anything not being able to get or maintain an erection made him more abusive as he felt ‘less of a man’ (his own words in quotes)

the phrases he used during the sexual abuses were also indicative that his feelings of inadequacy were heightened by lack of sexual function and increased his desire for control, humiliation and damage of me

locking them up without access to potential victims is the only current surefire method of stopping their physical abuse of others

I’ve no doubt that they would still try to psychologically abuse the prison facility staff

zero tolerance in society to abusive attitudes and behaviours in order to prevent new abusers is perhaps the only hope for stamping out abuse

there are so many abusers and abuse apologists in positions of power and influence that that feels like an almost impossible task

but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try

I actually believe paedophiles should be put down.

Alan Turing experienced chemical castration, for different reasons in different times.

What happened to him was horrible and the effects of the drugs were horrible.

Prison, seclusion, separation from potential victims. Loss of liberty. Those are my preferred punishments for these heinous crimes.

I still have the memory of the photo in the news of a young boy Jason who, years ago, was passed around at a paedophile party (Sidney Cooke main one)and murdered. He still had tears on his face when his body was found. Filled me with rage and despair and at that moment felt the same as you.

I’ve been watching a lot of nonce stings on FB this past week. I’d seen the original Chris Hansen years ago but all these new groups had passed me by till I looked into it after the HE trial.

Some of the hunters like to rant and rave at the men & have their own issues (ie abuse survivors) that they’re acting out. There’s American stings where they just chase down and punch the suspects.

The other day in the UK there was a troubling one where the nonce is having a full on Tourette’s attack while his poor mum in the background doesn’t know what to do.

The ones where there’s a partner or parent responding to the situation, or there’s a crowd involved to, do make for better drama - one clip had 900k views - but obviously it’s very sad for the relatives. It shows the damage these men do to their own families as well as their victims!

With the better stings, the hunters are disciplined in their righteous anger, and they’re very measured and get everything in order for the police.

There was a shocking one the other day about a 70-something accountant who had arranged to meet a 13 year old at a hotel. They talked to him for ages. And one of a senior lawyer who did the whole conversation standing there in his nice hallway in his boxer shorts. In both cases the hunters kept it calm which no doubt help with getting confessions.

I don’t actually know whether these confessions are admissible in court? But they have all the chat logs too.

Anyway to go back to the subject of this thread - I was shocked at how endemic this is, and yes chemical castration should be made widely available! Maybe in exchange for a reduced sentence - though sentences should be higher so that’s a moot point.

There was another thread on this topic. I'll make the same 2 points

1. in the case of a miscarriage of justice, then what? Remember the case of Andrew Malkinson who spent years behind bars for a crime he did not commit? 2).castration often does not prevent an erection in an adult man. It's partly down to learned responses and partly because it's not just the testicles that produce the necessary hormones. It just doesn't prevent future offending. And it may, cause the murder of the victim, as the perpetrator might not decide that sexual assault is enough. Justice does not mean that the system should behave like animals. It's bad enough that some perpetrators are like beasts.

I don't think they should ever be let out, their attempt at rehabilitation shouldn't put a single person at risk of becoming victims.

It's very simplistic and akin to villagers with torches. Chemical castration is a human rights violation and won't solve anything. Predators are driven by more than sexual desire. Rape is about power and control, not sex and women can be raped with objects.

Yes, because the approach of killing people to try and resolve a societal issue has never gone wrong at any level, ever.

Completely agree with this. There is no rehabilitating a pedophile, they just become better at hiding it. As for rapists who have commited the act, I honestly don't think it is justice to allow them a change to reform while the victim struggles on for the rest of their days.

I think they should be put down too. The philosophical debate on whether a government should be able to assign death to an individual is a complex one, but realistically if there is definitive proof it is what I think needs to be done. Why fund them in prison, why let them continue to live after destroying lives in the most disgusting way, why waste time and money on these scum people.

The "villagers with pitchforks" stance is IMO disconnected from the reality of the issue here. When you had community action against you for doing these vile things, likelihood is you wouldn't do it again. Now, pedophiles and rapists can get SUSPENDED SENTENCES. No jail time, or a year or two. Where is the justice in that? Why are they getting off so lightly? When law enforcement stops doing their job properly I stand by the idea that the community and society itself should take the law into their own hands.

I personally don't find it civilised at all to let rapists and child abusers get a slap on the wrist and the chance for a happy life after what they've done. I think the concept of rehabilitation for these people who have done the most abhorrent things with no regard for others is often spouted from people who believe they are so advanced, philosophical, educated, but in reality it ignores what a scourge on society the crimes are and the subsequent slap on the wrist. If the crime can be proven undoubtedly, in my world, these people would be sentenced to death, or at least used for medicinal testing with chemical castration, never to see the light of day again.

We've gone so far the other way and think we are better than the pitchforkers of the past, i believe we've reached the point where there is no justice for victims.

The answer is life sentences for rape and pedophiles. Current sentences are a joke. Fraudsters frequently get longer sentences than sexual criminals. Clearly money is more important in law than (mostly) women and children.

I don’t care about the offenders rights re chemical castration one little bit. I would like to know that it is fully effective though before offenders are allowed free.

We've gone so far the other way and think we are better than the pitchforkers of the past, i believe we've reached the point where there is no justice for victims.

Italy has a far right government and is using this to appease their mouth breathing supporters. You're saying that on one hand, we're better than marauding villagers out for revenge, then talking about state sanctioned murder.

The villagers with pitchforks don't believe in the law and they don't know if the person they're intent on killing is guilty. It's the thin edge of the wedge.

If our justice system isn't fit for purpose, then we need to rectify that, not murder people.

State sanctioned murder is still murder. As the victim of one of these people, I would rather just see life sentences but in a situation whereby they work either for a business from prison of course) or for the prison community. They’re almost impossible to rehabilitate, chemical castration is likely to lead to greater violence. At least if they’re sewing uniforms or growing veg, they’re contributing in a harmless way.

Is it revenge, or is it justice? Everybody has a slightly different take on what justice is. It's subjective. It's irrelevant to me that a right wing government is implementing or attempting to implement chemical castration - it doesn't make me think "the right wingers do it, it must be bad!".

On the subject of chemical castration, not death penalty (because I AM aware my take isn't that accepted), what do you see as the problem?

So do I.

I think it is a useful tool.

If they want to be released they can submit to this. At least they have choice.

One strike and they're out though.

It works great in dogs. Turns 'em into a sofa lofa and owners can use the effect to decide whether to castrate or not.

This is exactly why they should never be released

I also disagree with the idea there should be no punishment for a crime, but they are just removed from society so as to not be a risk to the public. Why shouldn't we punish people who physically attack and rape people more vulnerable than them? Bad (abhorrent, disgusting, the worst) behaviour in society should absolutely be punished.

I think there should be a choice, mandatory life imprisonment for sex crimes or volunteer for chemical castration.