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just got back from japan. omg wow.

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TheBlueHoney · 08/09/2024 23:26

What a country! I saw much right there compared to Britain. 100x better infrastructure, friendlier people, safer street, luxury amazing looking roads, most well behaved children I've ever seen, modesty, people dress well, public transport etiquette, quality of food and healthy population, fantastic healthcare, longest life expectancy, lowest infant mortality, prices/affordability about same as London but get way more for your money everything better quality and no tipping culture, public bathrooms accessible everywhere and so clean and modern with built in tech. I could go on and on.

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the80sweregreat · 09/09/2024 10:57

Dh has been there for work and he loved it
Getting around is hard apparently, but he managed alright. Just a bit daunting he said

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 11:01

EI12 · 09/09/2024 09:47

Did you enquire about their immigration policy? They do not accept refugees and asylum seekers. They are incredibly racist. Sorry, but it is true. They think anyone not Japanese is beneath them.

It’s an entirely different culture so judging it as ‘racist’ using our own cultural values wouldn’t really mean anything to a Japanese person as Western values have no place in their culture. To Western eyes misogyny is baked into the culture as well, but again that’s our take on it - it’s their culture and by not accepting refugees or asylum seekers, it would seem they’ve stated their intention to keep it that way.

JustCosy · 09/09/2024 11:04

And 98% Japanese population. Seems that kind of thing works, what a shock.

TheyWentToSeaInASieve · 09/09/2024 11:09

PedigreeDogs · 09/09/2024 10:55

I'm often slightly awed by how people visit countries where they don't speak a word of the native language and are still able to enjoy their trip. Japan especially has one of the most complex languages in the world. How did you all manage to get around and function whilst there? Any problems paying for things, ordering in restaurants etc?

Download Google Translate. The app has a camera function. Not always precise, but you tend to get the gist. Invaluable for getting around and reading directions too!

Goldenbear · 09/09/2024 11:09

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 11:01

It’s an entirely different culture so judging it as ‘racist’ using our own cultural values wouldn’t really mean anything to a Japanese person as Western values have no place in their culture. To Western eyes misogyny is baked into the culture as well, but again that’s our take on it - it’s their culture and by not accepting refugees or asylum seekers, it would seem they’ve stated their intention to keep it that way.

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What does that even mean, racism is racism is racism - surely? The meaning of 'misogyny' is the same whether you go in the world.

Barkingshoes · 09/09/2024 11:10

Pretty sure no open border and only people arriving by boat are very rare from N Korea. No multi culture, not much of a welfare state.

soberholic · 09/09/2024 11:12

@nolongersurprised

@VanillaImpulse

@finaGotpaid

@ChampagneLassie

That was me. It ended with a C-section under GA (I'm immune to local anesethia / epidurals etc). But the hospital I ended up at doesn't offer epiurals or any kind of pain relief anyway, even though I was on the induction drip.

I'd gotten transferred from one hospital to another after I became emotionally unstable due to fear of being unsupported during labour (which became a reality ).

They called my husband for his permission to do the surgery under GA, even though they'd given me LA and could see it wasn't working - still needed HIS permission before they could proceed.

Between all of that, and a lot worse that's too long to write, I'm extremely bitter about having a baby in this country.

I've made it clear to my husband that if I ever get pregnant again, it's a vbac at home with us expecting a joint funeral.

I'll never be physically locked up in a maternity ward again

TinkerTiger · 09/09/2024 11:13

mellowfell · 09/09/2024 02:04

I really want to go there but worried about the overstimulation especially in Tokyo :(

My brother recently went and took a photo of the 'busiest' crosswalk in the world. There were about 5 people 😂

It was raining while he was there, but perhaps it may not be as full-on as we think.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 09/09/2024 11:17

Is it not quite a racist country? I can’t remember the details but I think there was a story about a mixed race Miss Japan and the racism she suffered.

I also heard a radio programme about how sexual cartoon drawings of children is not legal and displayed quite openly in Japan, whereas it’s illegal here

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 11:22

Goldenbear · 09/09/2024 11:09

What does that even mean, racism is racism is racism - surely? The meaning of 'misogyny' is the same whether you go in the world.

Depends on where you go. You can’t judge other completely different cultures by Western values because it doesn’t mean anything within that culture. What you and I may see as racist or misogynistic is regarded as heritage and tradition.

Mercurial123 · 09/09/2024 11:23

It's an amazing country for a tourist but its work culture is poor. Women's rights are lacking, and the racism is real.

ChishiyaBat · 09/09/2024 11:25

notacooldad · 09/09/2024 08:22

It's my dream holiday, I would love to go. I want to go to Tokyo first and stay in Asakusa. I would love to go to Nara, Kyoto, Yokohama and everywhere else too though! Nara and Kyoto and osaka are near each other. We stayed at osaka a d got the train to the other places.

Where did you stay? Did you go to Shibuya?
I would really recommend Japan for a holiday.

can i share my expierence, although you are aski g the Op.
For our first time we mainly did the three cities, Tokyo, Kyoto and Osaka. We did other things like Honcho street to see mount Fuji.
It is dead easy to travel round. You do t need a package holiday, in fact that could be limiting. We had an idea of what we wanted to do but booked accommodation as we went along which gave us flexibility to stay longer in one place or move on.

My tips would be:
fill in immigration card before you land, it saves a lot of time.
2 sort out a pocket wifi to pick up at airport before you leave. You just drop it off on your way home. or get an e sim for your phone e, take a battery pack! Your going to use your phone a lot for directions info translations and photos!

3 Comfy shoes - you are going to be walking and exploring loads!

4 make use of the luggage forward service. Suitcases and big rucksacks are hard work on trains. It is not expensive to use a forwarding service. They pick your suitcase up and deliver to the next hotel. Our bags were waiting in our room when we arrived.

5 Realise Tokyo is not typical of the rest of Japan, like London is not typical of the UK. Tokyo is bright, brash and fun to explore!

6 There are loads of amazing day trips to be had if you base yourself in Tokyo.

7Matcha is just like eating grass!!!!

8 The scramble crossing is good fun at rush hour but make sure you take the lift to floor R (I think it is) in the department store next to the crossing. You pay to go on this floor but it includes a drink, either alcholic or non alcoholic, and you have an amazing birds eye view of the crossing. Try to go just as it's getting dark.

9Flights are incredibly expensive at cherry blossom season. However the blossoms were late this year. Outside peak season flights from the UK are reasonable. Don't go in the summer unless you like hot humid weather.

10 Go on the Shinkansen but unless you are going to be on it all the time the JR pass is not good value anymore.

Don't bother with hotel breakfasts. Many were overpriced. Try the cafes or stores at the railway stations. Good value and it's where the locals eat. Also convience store food and drinks are really good!

11Talking about railway stations goggle maps is your friend here giving you lots of info about which exit to leave. Some stationary huge with one having 200 exit's!

12 Dont bother with taxis. They are expensive and public transport is great.

if you are thinking of going do some research on instagram for ideas. I did most of my research from there and it paid off with good tips on etiquette, things to do and try etc.

Of course Japan isn't perfect,
however there aren't that many countries in the world that are. I loved being a visitor there and would go back. I felt extremely safe. I always have my guard up both at home or the away but I had no bad vibes.
I'm saving up to go back!

Thank you for your helpful tips, I don't see me going anytime soon, but I wish I could.

Edited to say I love matcha it's delicious😋

Mercurial123 · 09/09/2024 11:25

What's the name of the Japanese You Tuber who interviews Japanese people with mixed heritage? It's interesting to learn their struggles and how they are never fully accepted in Japan.

Goldenbear · 09/09/2024 11:28

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 11:22

Depends on where you go. You can’t judge other completely different cultures by Western values because it doesn’t mean anything within that culture. What you and I may see as racist or misogynistic is regarded as heritage and tradition.

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Yes you can and people do all the time, isn't Western news mostly an observation of these things across the world that don't align with 'western values'?

simplemoments · 09/09/2024 11:29

I gave birth in japan and the USA . They both have their good points and bad . And at the end of the day Japan might be a bit more intense but babies don’t die as much as the uk so that is the outcome they are going for but yeah definitely a bit harder on the mothers

simplemoments · 09/09/2024 11:31

Also remember a lot of what you read is well perhaps a bit embellished a bit like if I read the daily mail and belived that was the uk .

Happybird91 · 09/09/2024 11:32

GreenTeaLikesMe · 09/09/2024 07:34

Japan always gets such weird treatment on Mumsnet. It's either an adorable Hello Kitty-esque utopia, or it's a scary place where people commit suicide all day long.

In reality, most aspects of Japan are like any other normal modern developed country. We actually have quite a lot of immigration nowadays, most mothers work outside the home, we have too many old people relative to taxpayers (but then, so does pretty every developed country).... You get the picture.

It would be great if people could update their priors a little bit from the 1990s. Japanese suicide rates are half what they were in the 90s and within the normal range for other developed countries. Floor space per person in Japanese homes is actually now slightly higher than in the UK - not because Japanese homes are big (they are not), but because they've increased in size over the last 20 years while the UK has Europe's smallest homes and floorspace per person is shrinking.

Suicide Rate by Country 2024 (worldpopulationreview.com)

It's not a utopia, but I mostly have a good life here, and don't have any desire to come back to the UK (and for what it's worth, the UK has plenty of good and bad features too; I still enjoy my visits when I come back).

Actually, Japan has changed a lot - by Noah Smith (noahpinion.blog)

The above is by an American but is a reasonable and balanced take on modern Japan.

How lucky you live in Japan

simplemoments · 09/09/2024 11:34

Traditional Japanese culture; man goes to work gives all the money to the stay at home wife and she does the family finances hands him back some pocket money for the month . not like that so much now though.

Notmynamerightnow · 09/09/2024 11:34

A friend went on an exchange year, when we were at college, this was about 30yrs ago. She struggled very much with male behaviour and found public transport, lifts etc were an opportunity for men to touch her.

This has always stuck in my mind and seems so much at odds with the polite image of Japan. Is this still the case, as it is somewhere I'd love to visit?

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 11:34

Goldenbear · 09/09/2024 11:28

Yes you can and people do all the time, isn't Western news mostly an observation of these things across the world that don't align with 'western values'?

I didn’t mean it in the sense that others can’t judge it personally. What I mean is that Western culture and opinion has no meaning in countries like Japan - their heritage and culture is built on an entirely different cultural value system.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 09/09/2024 11:38

NoBodyIdRatherBe · 09/09/2024 07:14

Japan’s suicide rate is better than America.
I can see the issues with Japanese culture (same as any county) but it so wonderful to share public spaces with respectful, clean people. My daughter lost her phone 3 times and got it back each time. The public toilets, streets and transport are all immaculate. The food is amazing and even food from the seven eleven is very high quality.
There is a seedy underside to Toyko in some places if you look hard enough. Same as London, New York or literally anywhere else. I’d take the kids to any district in Toyko but I avoid Manchester town centre like the plague.

Yes you are right every country has it pros and cons and there are great things about Japan and the culture but there are also things about Japanese culture that are absolute shit

I think the reason you have people piling on is because there seems to be this new trend now to try to paint Japan as this perfect utopia which it is not but people travel there and come back going on and on about how it's this and that with no insight into the issues because Japanese culture has a way of showing you the good.

As I said in my previous post people should visit if they have the chance, it's a lovely country to visit but the issue is the way people act like it's a perfect society. It is very far from it same as other countries.

BlackShuck3 · 09/09/2024 11:39

Happyinarcon · 09/09/2024 04:01

They should have open borders, I’d move there in a heartbeat.

Lol
Xenophobia is one of Japan's defining characteristics, this is antithetical to the notion of open borders!

soberholic · 09/09/2024 11:39

simplemoments · 09/09/2024 11:29

I gave birth in japan and the USA . They both have their good points and bad . And at the end of the day Japan might be a bit more intense but babies don’t die as much as the uk so that is the outcome they are going for but yeah definitely a bit harder on the mothers

The suicide rate for new mothers is so high though that it outweighs the low mortailty rate.

The result is good hospital stastics but babies without mothers. This is not a country that you want to admit having any signs of PND in, unfortunately.

BlackShuck3 · 09/09/2024 11:44

Happybird91 · 09/09/2024 08:20

Amazing country. We returned a couple of weeks ago and had the same wooow feeling; can’t wait to go back. I am not saying is perfect but the cleanliness , organisation, public transport, things to see and do really impressed us

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They clearly do a good job of maintaining the facade for long enough to fool visitors.

Fluufer · 09/09/2024 11:47

DH worked for a Japanese company in London a couple of years ago. He spent two weeks out there, and vowed never to return. He is a black. African man for context. Fascinating as the culture may be, it is unpleasant if your face doesn't fit.