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What happens when the baby boomers die?

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LargeSquareRock · 08/09/2024 09:57

Sorry about the title, but that’s literally it. I’ve wondered this since I was a child.

Obviously we are about to enter a 20 year spike when a smaller number of tax payers support a higher number of elderly people in healthcare and elder care.

What happens in 20 years when the spike is over? Do we have empty care homes, plentiful housing and easily available health care?

I really have no evil agenda asking this- demographics has always fascinated me.

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New4Old · 08/09/2024 11:05

As a WW2 baby, I see a number of houses all paid up. I see my peers going on to 85 or more. One, two or three children. More than a few children have predeceased their parents.
So when my cohort shuffles off their will be a release of assets onto the market.
The assets will be family home and savings. Perhaps this value being split 50/50.
It will not be so clear cut as that because savings may have been used to fund care.
The inheritance may be divided between grandchildren.
The Boomers children may have married more than once. Hence a proportion of inheritance skipping a generation.
There will not be sudden wealth descending on suburbia as large houses are sold off.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 08/09/2024 11:06

@LargeSquareRock

Totally understand your original post, unfortunately you have been derailed by all the anti BB sentiment that exists on this website.

Shakenandstirredup · 08/09/2024 11:06

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON BABY BOOMERS. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE BABY BOOMER GENERATION (who are fab) LEAVE THIS MORTAL COIL?!

Shouting into a void @LargeSquareRock

CassieMaddox · 08/09/2024 11:07

x2boys · 08/09/2024 10:15

My 82 year old Dad pays more tax now than when he was working ,granted he's been retired for nearly 30 years.

My parents earn more now from pensions and investments than they did when they were working so I should hope they do pay more tax 😂

op I know the modelling is that the pensions crisis will ease as the baby boomers pass on, we will have a more "pillar" shaped demographic than an inverse triangle. Hopefully that means that pensions/retirement will become a bit easier for us younger generations.

Shakenandstirredup · 08/09/2024 11:07

Totally understand your original post, unfortunately you have been derailed by all the anti BB sentiment that exists on this website.

We must be on a different thread!

Yazzi · 08/09/2024 11:07

LargeSquareRock · 08/09/2024 11:04

For the people at the back, I love baby boomers, I admire baby boomers, I believe baby boomers are not responsible society’s ills. I hate the “Ok boomer” slur.

I want to know what society can expect when these high value, community-minded generation dies when governments for the last generation have been gearing society around a high elderly population, low tax payer population situation. And yes, I know some baby boomers still net contribute via taxation. But that’s not the norm and unless they are Rupert Murdoch, they will not be doing this in their 80’s and 90’s.

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON BABY BOOMERS. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE BABY BOOMER GENERATION (who are fab) LEAVE THIS MORTAL COIL?!

Nice try, boomer hater!!!!!

(sarcasm)

angeltop · 08/09/2024 11:08

What about the extra ten million (and growing) people who have joined the uk population. Many of these people may have massive ongoing health needs both physical and mental, many will go on to have big families. Some will assimilate, many won't. Will we see a rise in sectarian politics and the change this will make to uk life? These are the things that worry me, not what will happen to grans house.

LargeSquareRock · 08/09/2024 11:08

Houseplanter · 08/09/2024 10:59

What a massive generalisation of a whole generation.

Bit like me saying all the self sufficient, tax paying old fogies like me will be replaced by a generation of work shy benefit claimants.

Ageism again 🙄

If you had read my OP and my PPs you would understand that this post is not about baby boomers. It’s about how society will deal with things after a society geared to support elderly baby boomers doesn’t need to support elderly baby boomers anymore. Because they have died. Just like generation x me will die.

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oakleaffy · 08/09/2024 11:08

Harvestfestivalknickers · 08/09/2024 11:00

With the declining birth rate I hope, in time, that the country becomes a more pleasant place to live. I was at college in the 80s and remember doing an essay on the UK population being 52 million. It's now nearly 70 million - a huge increase in 40 years. Unfortunately the infrastructure to support that increase hasn't kept pace. Whether it's traffic, overcrowded accommodation, lack of doctors, dentists or school places, I think we just have too many people resulting in poorer living conditions. Our quality of life is impacted, queues, crowds, traffic jams, waiting lists - everything seems so much harder than 40 years ago.

If one looks at old films of even London, the streets were so much emptier in the 1960's.

There is a video of a car journey by a driving instructor London to Bath from the 1960's, and the roads are empty.

A journey many are quite familiar with- it's nothing like this now!

Thebellofstclements · 08/09/2024 11:09

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 08/09/2024 10:44

They’ll have to house us renters somewhere.
no idea where the tax comes for that though

Why won't you be able to pay your rent?

echt · 08/09/2024 11:09

I hate the “Ok boomer” slur

So don't use Boomer in your thread title .

Or is that your weaselly "sorry but"?

NeedBiggerWindChimes · 08/09/2024 11:10

echt · 08/09/2024 11:09

I hate the “Ok boomer” slur

So don't use Boomer in your thread title .

Or is that your weaselly "sorry but"?

The term Boomer isn't actually a slur. It's just refers to a generation. It's no more a slur than GenX or Millennial are.

flapjackfairy · 08/09/2024 11:10

inthekiddle · 08/09/2024 10:57

Our generation (millennials) struggle because we don't yet have our inheritance but cost of living etc is hard. We may get our inheritance from the boomers when we ourselves are in late middle age/early old age. I think many of us will then try to pass on the wealth to our children and grandchildren more quickly because we understand first hand how hard it is (whereas the boomers seem to think it's because we eat avocados and they're basically looking after themselves).

I am just a boomer and I am already helping my children to get on the property ladder and providing free childcare and helping out with holidays etc. I don't think any generation of grandparents has ever had to provide so much support to their adult children ( money towards housing or living at home until I their 30s to save on top of childcare etc ).
We know only too well the struggles as we see it in our own children's lives. I got no help financial or practical from my own parents with my children . I had an autistic son and there were no.private nurseries never mind ones for disabled kids, there was no before or after school clubs or wraparound care and grandparents were not expected to provide any of that stuff so we struggled along on a v low wage in poverty for years. ( no top up benefits either )
And yet apparently our generation is entirely to blame for the ills of the current generation. I am sick of the whole narrative.
In all generations some get the breaks and others don't. That's life ! My generation was taught to get on with it and we did. Perhaps your generation should do the same.

Shakenandstirredup · 08/09/2024 11:10

Because they have died. Just like generation x me will die.

Its offensive to some to say people die though…

Rosscameasdoody · 08/09/2024 11:10

user1492757084 · 08/09/2024 10:48

I think the number of people born disabled has actually decreased due to prebirth testing and improvements in health care over the decades.
Most people born are able to work, if there are jobs that they are trained for.

The problem with this is the abysmal lack of support from successive governments in introducing realistic and empathetic measures to get disabled people into work. There is no attempt to educate employers, no real consequences to failing to provide reasonable adjustment in the work place for disabled people, and no attempt to link healthcare to the ability to work. With the NHS in its’ current state, it hasn’t a hope in hell of providing the treatment people need to either get them back to work in a reasonable time frame, or stop them from falling out of work because of ill health.

The current policy of compulsion and sanction needs a rethink because you can’t just shove a disabled person into the nearest available job and hope for the best, relying on sympathetic employers and reasonable adjustment - which is pretty much what happens now.

Most people born with serious congenital disability such as Spina Bifida and other neurological conditions for example, have complex multi form disability and should never face compulsion to work if it will make their lives any more difficult than they already are. The biggest problem for severely disabled people is that the Tories took away the last vestiges of sheltered employment. They closed the Remploy factories and other sheltered workshops, saying they were outdated and irrelevant in todays’ society. They weren’t. They provided meaningful employment for those too severely disabled to compete in open employment and gave them some dignity in being able to support themselves. But they were subsidised by the government and at the time, ideological austerity took precedence over decent humanitarianism.

Until we have a proper joined up system which appreciates the difficulties faced by disabled people in the workplace, and introduce a better assessment system than the completely unfit for purpose one we have now, unemployment among the sick and disabled isn’t going to get any better.

Solonga · 08/09/2024 11:10

A lot of posters here seem to have very rich parents with investments and huge houses, this is not true of all older people

Tiddlywinkly · 08/09/2024 11:10

CraftyNavySeal · 08/09/2024 10:08

Your parents (unless they are currently higher rate tax payers) and the majority of people will never pay enough tax in their life to make up for pensions and healthcare costs.

You need to earn 41k a year to be a net contributor.

Interesting, that figure is lower than I thought. Thanks for the info.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 08/09/2024 11:11

Ok hadn't read the title properly, so maybe this is a slight at the boomer population, who knows.

LargeSquareRock · 08/09/2024 11:11

viques · 08/09/2024 11:05

This. Volunteers fill huge gaps in the economies of many struggling and community organisations.

And add in the thousands of paid jobs that are supported by older people being active, the cafes, theatres, cinemas, libraries, gyms, museums, galleries, restaurants relying on our footfall and our grey pounds to keep going.

I pay tax on my pension and a good amount of what is left gets spent supporting the economy/ providing businesses with cash flow/ and justifying government spending in places like museums by being part of their funding demographic.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO SOCIETY AND THE WAY SOCIETY IS ARRANGED WHEN YOUR GENERATIONS DIES!!!

FFS are people really this obtuse?

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Shakenandstirredup · 08/09/2024 11:12

And yet apparently our generation is entirely to blame for the ills of the current generation. I am sick of the whole narrative

How on earth can this be your take away after reading the OP?

echt · 08/09/2024 11:12

NeedBiggerWindChimes · 08/09/2024 11:10

The term Boomer isn't actually a slur. It's just refers to a generation. It's no more a slur than GenX or Millennial are.

Yes it is.

You don't get to tell me what is a slur to people of my age group.

Perroi · 08/09/2024 11:12

I loathe the term boomer because it's intended to insult but for the purpose of the thread I'll use it.

I think the shift will also exacerbate the north south division due to the difference in property values.

Most boomer generation didn't inherit much themselves so it's really the next generation who will benefit. The next generation being quite widely spread among age groups.
My DC are gen Z but most of my generation had children much earlier so could be X or millennials.

CraftyNavySeal · 08/09/2024 11:12

PenelopePitStrop · 08/09/2024 11:01

And don’t forget all the younger generations who don’t pay enough tax to be net contributors….

Well they don’t, never said they did.

The fact is that the welfare state was envisioned when people had far more children and didn’t live as long.

It wasn’t supposed to matter that people paid less tax over their lives because there was always supposed to be more tax payers than pensioners. Plus most people only lived 5-10 years after retiring.

Stating facts isn’t disparaging older generations.

viques · 08/09/2024 11:12

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 08/09/2024 11:11

Ok hadn't read the title properly, so maybe this is a slight at the boomer population, who knows.

It usually is on MN.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 08/09/2024 11:13

Socielty evolves the way it always has.
It is not a difficult concept. Read back through history, when events like the Plague occurred, where populations were wiped out, and WW1/WW2, and the women were left without husbands.
Times are tough sometimes, but governments need to deal with these situations as they arise.