Lucy Letby in the news

[Viviennemary]

I've just been watching the BBC news and apparently some experts have been questioning the validity of Lucy Letbys conviction. I must say when I read the details of the trial she did sound 100% guilty. But it would be a tragedy if she is innocent Personally I don't think she is but who knows. Somebody on the news said the only person who knows is Lucy Letby.

Alright, pick out 3 key pieces of medical evidence she harmed a baby.

Better yet, can you pick out three pieces of medical evidence that ANYONE intentionally harmed a baby?

Yes, but the only evidence Evans has for any of these three things happening is the x-ray from before Letby met the child.

The idea that only these three things could cause a baby to collapse and die is of course nonsense anyway.

Someone asked earlier why people who question the verdict treat those who believe in LL’s guilt as thick.

I certainly don’t believe such people are necessarily thick! But what I have seen time and time again - not just here but in the media, and of course on reddit, tattle and so on too - is that only those who question the verdict seem to ever really engage with the medical evidence.

People who say she’s definitely guilty tend to focus on the facebook posts, her notes, parents having a bad feeling about her, the doctors being suspicious. I don’t think that different focus means they’re thick, but I do find those arguments extremely unconvincing compared to the medical ones.

@WhatWouldJeevesDo I posted this to counter @Mirabai assertion that Dewi Evans has since admitted he was 'talking out of his arse'. He was always clear that he couldn't be sure of the diagnosis on baby C.

But does it not concern you that she was actually convicted of the murder of baby C, when the only supposed evidence of murder came from a time when she could not have done it?

Does that not raise a question mark over all the other verdicts too? I honestly don’t understand how it cannot.

No. He changed his mind under cross-examination. The pathologist didn’t change his mind and only ever supported murder on the basis of the x-ray, which was alleged to show air via nasogastric tube.

To clarify, all of those methods Evans suggested as the only possible reasons for collapse (which is obvious bollocks in itself btw) were based on that x-ray. The one from before LL had met the baby.

If there is other evidence that a murder was committed in the case of that particular baby, please do share it.

Which is another away of saying he can’t be sure Baby C was murdered.

He has changed to a fourth method since, after neonatologist Dr Dimitrova pointed out how implausible this one was in Sunday's C5 documentary.

Still based on no evidence whatsoever.

If I'd been accused of murder, I'd be searching anyone involved online too.

LL went through the rubbish bin in the hospital in her quest to keep souvenirs of her evil deeds! LL is GUILTY AS SIN!!!

Or, having been dubbed nurse death she started collecting evidence of her innocence.

You are starting to remind me of constable Savage
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxjnD42iw0

Nobody has even alleged this.

I think there was a gas and air machine reading that should have been thrown away.
Anyway, it confirms Manchegos’ point above. The pro-guilt crowd focus on inessentials.

LL had over 250 handover sheets found in her home by the police! LL is GUILTY AS SIN!!!

Yes, and that certainly doesn't mean she went through the bins for it!

Yes. Over 250 handover notes but not the ones relating to her first four supposed victims…hmm

Which is another away of saying he can’t be sure Baby C was murdered.

The expectation was not on Dewi Evans to be sure about whether any of the babies were murdered, just to provide his opinion on how they died.

Very funny!

As I'm sure you know, she had about 220 relating to other cases, 30 or so relating to the cases she was charged with.

How this gets anyone to a murder conviction, I don't know

Which is why changing his mind on oath in order to shore up the prosecution case is so problematic.

His remit was to provide unbiased expert evidence to help the jury reach a decision.

His behaviour in changing the details (in court and afterwards) suggests that he failed to contain bias

The reaction of his peers who are practising medics suggests that expertise was also wanting.

DE was absolutely certain that the babies were murdered. "Babies don't just die" was his starting point.

He also said, “As Jack Frost once said: ‘I don’t believe in coincidences.’”

I think that tells us quite a lot about how he imagines his role. (Jack Frost is a tv detective, for anyone who didn’t know.)

@Christwosheds

I agree with this.