Super yacht sinking - did the crew bravely survive or did they abandon their the passengers

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So....most of the crew survived this tragedy but the passengers died. Do you think it will emerge the crew should have e done more to alrt the passengers and indeed put their lives in danger to attempt a rescue? Maybe it was all just too fast?

I just think there seems silence from the crew at moment despite being survivors of a sinking vessel who have a story to tell. Are lawyers advising they stay quiet on this?

In the MV Princess Victoria Ferry disaster, there were some passengers who were too old and frail - and terribly seasick- to be able to shift themselves from a listing ferry - they actually chose to be on the ferry as she foundered.

The young Crew tried their hardest, to no avail.

This is a very tragic report by survivors.

A lovely stewardess was last seen trying to help a 3 yr child.

Vile

@oakleaffy this is in no way comparable to ferry sinkings or sinkingy of large ships, which usually happen over several hours.

The Estonia was an 11-storey cruiseferry. The Bayesian was a sloop - a very big one - but still a sloop.

@HazelPlayer yes, I made all of those points myself.

Surely they have to be legally identified ? Imagine the conspiracy theories if they weren't .

The frailty of some passengers would be the same though- wether a sudden sinking or a slower one.

It's no surprise that young, fit men are the most usual survivors of ships sinking - even down to having the core strength to able to haul themselves into a life raft.

Italian law is that all unexpected deaths have to be investigated. The bodies are part of the evidence so aside from the families' needs to know what happened, I presume that legally they had to be recovered if possible.

The boat will also need to be recovered if possible as part of the investigation to ensure every piece of evidence into what happened that is recoverable is examined, hence the chief prosecutor saying his investigation into the matter won't be concluded until the shipwreck is recovered (and that is aside from the environmental concerns given the very large fuel tanks on board that can't be left on the seabed to degrade).

If only our police were as thorough in following all possible lines of enquiry when a potential criminal matter comes to their attention and ensuring they obtained all available evidence before closing a case.

@oakleaffy that's true in most cases but in this particular case because of the speed at which the boat sank the determining factor of survival was whether the person was above or below deck at the time of the sinking.

What I don't understand - well, one of the many things I don't understand - is why they were not all roused and gathered to the emergency gathering point as soon as the storm hit. The boat sank quickly but there was some time between the storm hitting and the sinking.

Boris Johnson disagreed and suggested that they were pushing forward the bounds of human endeavour.

Lord of the logic of Brexit. Or course he did. 🤦🏻‍♀️ There will always be idiots. The problem is that idiots listen to other idiots and believe them.

@rosesyrup nobody understands that, or whythe engines weren't switched on when the boat had been dragging anchor for 15 mins before the sinking which would have set off alarms for the crew, or how such a vessel that was designed to right itself from almost a 90 degree angle if safety procedures were followed (hatches closed and keel down) could have sunk even in extreme weather. That's why there's an investigation, to find out what other factors in addition to the extreme weather caused the sinking: it seems totally implausible that even a freak weather event alone would have been sufficient without some other contributory factors as well so the investigation is trying to establish what they were.

She was a beautiful boat.
This old {15 yrs} vid shows the interiors.

@blueshoes it's good to see some posters who also have some compassion and humanity. It's quite shocking to have seen some of the comments here. Not just the clueless ones, but also the deeply unpleasant ones like the latest deleted one, expressing joy at these people being dead.

I find it quite worrying that people who could wish this on a group of people they have never met and most likely not even heard of until this week are walking around in society passing for normal humans and none of us, if we met them, would suspect the levels of psychopathy that they must presumably be hiding in their daily interactions and reserve for pouring out online against strangers instead. It's disturbing.

I haven’t seen the comments that were deleted but am presuming they were vile.

I agree with the person above that there are some awful people on this forum who seem to hate anybody who is rich, ignoring that they are self made people who have made their fortunes.

I have deep compassion for the survivors of this tragedy and those that lost their lives. The terror and horror of the circumstances for those that died is unimaginable. This wasn’t an instantaneous death but one of horror. That poor girl alone stranded in her cabin and the other five in another one.

Society is very broken if there are those that can’t show compassion for anybody dying in awful circumstances whether they have wealth or not.

@CatAndHisKit

The yacht sank in 50 metres of water. Now most scuba tanks are 12 litres but let's say you go for an extra large 15 litre tank.

At that depth it would last 21 minutes assuming a resting action. So to last for two days you would need to keep 137 extra large scuba tanks per passenger in each cabin or 274 for two passengers, all assuming of course you can switch tanks safely each time with no air and in the dark 137 times.

I haven’t RTFT since I last posted so I didn’t see the deleted posts, but looking at some of the recent posts I would say that if anyone has commented expressing joy at the billionaires dying it’s sad yes but surely not surprising or shocking ?

I mean we had hundreds of people try to burn refugees to death in hotels recently and thousands more cheering them on from behind their keyboards.

And if anything I’d say that’s more a sign of a deeply unhealthy broken society.

@Newstarts1 I don't understand your comment.

Anybody involved in that is clearly devoid of any morals and unfit to be part of society. Anybody making commenfs that they are happy these people died is equally vile. And yes, I do find it shocking that there are apparently so many such people around.

One week race and people being too poor is the excuse, the next it is people being too rich. Apparently nobody should expect basic himan decency or compassion or has the right to be alive even unless they happen to be exactly like these posters: born in the same place, and have exactly the right amount of money, not more or less.

Such people are reprehensible and disgusting and it's horrible to realise just how prevalent they are.

In fact, some of the comments on this thread have been in the ballpark of those that have led to prison sentences recently in respect of the riots, so perhaps people should think twice about it even if they have no moral decency.

A good start would be for mumsnet to permanently ban such posters and actually report their identities and comments to the police, when the type of thing that's been contained in these comments is posted, especially knowing that families of those who perished are grieving.

My point is simply that it’s horrible but not surprising at all. There were riot apologists all over MN that week.

This is our society.

Mumsnet could (and does) ban posters - but the comments, whilst vile, were not criminal and would be of no police interest.

Wishing people were killed and expressing glee at the prospect is inciting hatred and at least one person was given a prison sentence for this alone recently.

Anyway, this is all rather a distraction from the topic and I hope Mumsnet will deal appropriate with the two or more posters who I've seen such comments from on the thread, before they were deleted, and any others who have done similar. I am off to bed now but hope that as a minimum those posters are thoroughly ashamed of themselves and won't be coming back to the site.

“and at least one person was given a prison sentence for this alone recently.”

Which specific person/comment did you have in mind? If it was linked to the race riots, then the inciting hatred part would have been in respect of encouraging harassment and violence in that context, I suspect. Rather than plain nasty comments as were made here.

Anyway, sleep well.

Annie McFannie! You HAVE been causing trouble! 🤣

Regardless of any criminal investigations Angela Bacares will be sued by the victim's families.

As the owner she is responsible for the boat & the crew.

There'll be another long battle between her & the manufacturer (or their insurers) over liability.

I wonder if this will have an impact on the super yacht market? They certainly won't be as appealing to billionaires now.