Really worried about the possibility of “pay per mile”

[Yorkiepud2614]

I’ve been seeing more and more about this new proposal “pay per mile” that would replace car duty (I think). Which the average household bill somewhere around £450 - £600. Lots of reports that it may come in this October.
Living in the Highlands this would completely cripple us. Do people really think the new government will bring this change in?

But just because my smart phone travels 23 miles from point A to point B doesnt mean I have and doesnt mean I have done it in a car, or in my own car??? So further technology will be required to be installed in each vehicle.

Byline Times for more trustworthy reporting

I would expect there not be any exemptions for classic cars, or any cars. Why should there be?

According to this article (not the headline though), it's a Tory policy that the Treasury wanted pushed for under the last government.

www.autoexpress.co.uk/consumer-news/364095/labour-could-introduce-regressive-pay-mile-road-tax-octobers-autumn-budget

If you had the equivalent of a smart phone registered to you and permanently bolted to your car, it would give a pretty accurate indication of where your car is and when at all times.

Posters were suggesting using the MOT for monitoring, drivers already avoid the Ulez by driving old cars as they are exempt.

Surely the aim is not only to get more money out of motorists, but also to reduce traffic in towns and cities. I can't imagine how they could bring it in other than in urban areas.

Firstly, how would you track it?

Secondly, you cannot penalise car users for not using public transport where there isn't any. Although I wouldn't put anything past useless shower of bastards. Not been impressed by Labour so far I have to say

I's also say that even if you dont own a car you still use the roads. If you cycle you use the road. If you avail of the services of anyone who delivers things to you, who comes to work on your property, who takes goods to your local shops, who works in the cafes, hairdressers and pharmacies in your high street. You might think that not owning a car means that this (imaginary for now) tax doesnt affect you but I will bet a million pounds that if it did come into effect all of the services that you use that require to use roads will pass at least some of that cost on to you.

And this is going to be in place in October...

They will use your mileage for the year before.

I actually think that car excise duty should be done away with and replaced by adding extra onto fuel prices.
The government must lose 1000s of pounds from people that don't bother taxing their vehicles. That way everyone that uses the roads contributes.

The DVLA often have a swoop on a town near where I live and clamp those that haven't bothered to tax their vehicle, 77 alone in one day this week just in that small area.

And all new cars under 3 years old. So lots of wealthy people will just chop in their cars every few years - as many always do - and never pay a penny.

The reality is, this is an issue only being referred to by nutjobs online with no credible sources. It's a story designed to rile people up against the government in the same way as the riots.

Maybe its implementation will be a peak-off peak. The days of NOT thinking about our journeys are coming to an end.
What will happen is people will make fewer journeys and manage them more efficiently. So for example carry out more objective tasks rather than oh shall we nip out today etc. Tolled roads and managed roads cut traffic by up to 30% as people make different choices.

I read online that Elvis is living in Clacton. What’s your take on that?

They will probably bring in free miles or some other discounting system for rural roads for the sake of rural residents, especially if you actually work in the countryside rather than being a holiday home owner in the Highlands or anything like that.

The thing is, there really isn’t any alternative to some sort of PPM system long-term.

VED and fuel tax are vanishing rapidly and the Exchequer is going to be left with a bloody great black hole which will need filling somehow. Government services have to be paid for - and the UK is unusual in how much it gives away free to motorists.

For example: In Japan, where I live, we may not have PPM (yet), but we pay heavy road tolls, there is no subsidized “council car park” parking, you have to build/buy/lease an off-road parking space before you are even allowed to buy a car (you can’t just leave your car on the road overnight), and there are multiple, expensive taxes on vehicle ownership. The money enables Japan to invest in really good PT so that there is usually an alternative to driving unless one lives rurally - the UK needs to do the same, frankly.

Stuff pay per mile, i'm really concerned about the reports that Labour are bringing in a Cat and Dog tax, £85 per year for a cat and a dog tax based on size, starting at £125, coming in next March, to be announced first at next years Crufts show.

i read it in the 'Express so it must be true.

Motorists are already vastly subsidised and don’t pay anywhere near the true cost of maintaining and running roads.

Why should I put up with worse air quality and worse public transport because I don’t have the good fortune to live in London? Why should I put up with car based transport that leads to worse health and community outcomes?

I do think that people need to think about this when deciding how to live and what schools to send their kids to. Edge-of-town suburbs can require tons of driving and PT is never going to work very well in those areas, yet such residents probably are not going to get special discounts or free miles like properly rural residents will - I’d suggest people think carefully about such areas, given that PPM is almost inevitable at some stage.

Roads are also used by people other than car drivers, i.e. bus users, delivery vans, emergency vehicles, cyclists, even trains are moved around by road!

So the cost of the roads needs to be spread over everyone, not just car drivers, as everyone, in some way, benefits from the road network.

Obvious bullshit. He's working in a chippy in Croydon.

You do realise there's a chronic housing shortage! Many people don't have the "choice" and have to take what they can, especially renters. If the choice is between a tent and a flat on the edge of town, then I think most people who take the flat!

I guess I need to count myself lucky that I’ve never come across such horrible people in my life before.
thanks everyone! Reminds me why I’m glad I live remotely.

Now this I'd be on board with.

So priortise buses, cyclists and deliveries that reduce private vehicle useage. Our local buses have had to extend journey times and reduce frequency because of the congestion that private cars cause.

And if any motorist can tell me why they should get a free ride from tax as they move towards far cheaper electric cars from petrol, I’m all ears.

Not going to happen anytime soon, creating reliable infrastructure for this is not a achievable in this parliament.
new cars dont need an mot for 3 years so you need to change that law
gps related tracking? Simple, by a jammer/make a faraday cage around the tracker
you’d need a device that tracks mileage via the cars odometer or direct from the wheels that then stores the info and sends the data somewhere. retrofitting x million cars??? No chance.
maybe they can charge in city areas akin to Ulez but im rural area’s??