It's not over until the Cat Lady sings - Trump thread #133

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Bigly Thanks to BruceAndNosh for the thread title.

Hopefully people can open this link OK.
https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5058103-trump-trial-time-banish-all-memories-of-mueller

Likewise.
At first I thought it was my feed that I couldn't hear the press questions. But I had sort of already tuned out at the bigly, bigger than MLK "I have a dream" crowd crap. He was talking BS as is the norm, all be it slightly more coherently than usual.

The sad truth is that all we can realistically hope for is that the Undecided/Independents in the swing states have enough intelligence to fact check . Trump did nothing but ramble with lie after lie.

His MAGA Cult followers are a lost cause so they'll believe his ranting.

I believe that CNN will be doing a Fact Check. I hope that sensible Americans check it out.

It doesn't feel like he has a good 'hook' this time around. No 'Build the Wall' no 'Crooked Hillary' - I mean, they were both awful, but they worked for some reason.

Now I have to go and try and figure out this Electoral College thing AGAIN. I have to look it up every four years and still baffled to get the hang of it. I hope it doesn't overturn the popular vote (if that's what it's called) if that turns out to be majority Dem.

It seems to be a complicated system to me, but I think it's historic due to the Civil War or something.

Time to look it up again. And yes I am a four yearly fair weather observer of US politics. Sorry about that.

@halava - the electoral college system means that it is very possible to win the presidency without winning the popular vote.

Clinton won the popular vote in 2016 but lost the electoral college (as I understand it, because she took the Rust Belt states for granted and didn't win lost them).

Biden won both the popular vote and the electoral college in 2020.

That's why the mid-West states are so important as they have a disproportionate number of votes in the electoral college. The election could be won by as few as 600,000 (or less ) votes in the so-called "Swing States"

Martin Luther King's daughter really didn't like Trump saying he has bigger crowds than her father's famous speech...

https://x.com/BerniceKing/status/1821633848956088734

I have to say, I haven't laughed as much since I saw Bill Bailey in concert!!

I have never been so glad to be driving around Lake Tahoe before. I missed the insanity.

Off to check CNN fact checks.

I don't know if there's any truth about the first time around (could be), but I doubt very much he's hoping to be defeated now.

When he'd never had something, he thought highly of himself for sitting with the big boys and girls playing for it.

Once he had the thing (the presidency), losing it to someone else became intolerable. How could he, he DJT, be a loser?!I

So I'd be surprised if he were capable of just walking away from the presidential race.

(But as discussed earlier on these threads, and by Rachel Maddow, he may be expecting to acquire the role by other means than by people voting for him.)

Indeed. He was sooooooo ridiculous

Exactly. Plus, he now has all of those pesky felonies and upcoming charges he needs to pardon himself from. The stakes are higher for him this time, with the possibility of prison. No way will he bow out.

It’s similar to the UK style…the same way that Lib Dems got a similar number of actual votes as Reform, who only ended up with 4 MPs.

The winner of the state takes all of the electoral points from that state. Nebraska is the only exception.

Doesn’t Maine also split its electoral votes? @YankTank

Maybe. I’ve heard Steve Kornacki talk about Nebraska a lot, so Nebraska comes to mind. I’m by no means an electoral college expert!

I don’t think VP Harris needs to stop her campaign for a press interview. She’s got people to see, doors to knock on, phone calls to make….those are her words and nowhere did she mention interviews with the press. And she’s already declined to debate on Fox News. Trump isn’t calling the shots anymore/

I wish there were more like you, and why have you changed your name 100 times?!

Reuters reports an Ipsos poll today giving Harris a 5 point lead. With a 3 point margin of error. Still anyone's game. I'm watching the swing states just like last time.



hmm

Fact checking of Trump's Alphabet Soup press conference yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08/08/us/trump-press-conference-fact-check?unlocked_article_code=1.Bk4.dAoe.eLHCgTSdmaDU&smid=url-share

I'm not sure what the first bit means (in case it's not clear, I'm European and don't have the right to vote in the US, so am not an anti-Trump Republican, just sadly, bigly, obsessed with Trump's machinations and the fact that when America sneezes, the world catches a cold).
As to the second bit, apart from quite a number of name changes I've made on here for various reasons, though they may not yet amount to a hundred, I am particularly fond of Leonard Cohen's version of "The Partisan", which includes the line: "J'ai changé cent fois de nom". My father fought in the French Resistance and was captured and interned in Spain, but, being a day-dreamer, one roll call, forgot the Canadian name he had changed to for camouflage and was promptly sent back to Vichy France. He eventually got some sort of medal for his efforts but being a pacifist at heart, wasn't all that proud of it.

The difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden tells the truth very badly, and Trump tells lies very well.

This is an illuminating fact check of one of his stories. Contains essentials of "it never hapoened" and "it never happened with someone else anyway"
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/08/politics/trump-helicopter-story-willie-brown/index.html

Trump really is now presenting as a confabulating fantasist - confused as to whom he went with in the helicopter and muddling his fear of helicopter crashes with an actual crash

This is the sort of story my father who suffered with dementia used to tell me

It's not just all untrue it's also both sad and very worrying

I would normally try to have compassion for someone with dementia but Trump was a dreadful person when his brain was more functional so nope.
Plus his family and advisors must know he's not all there but they continue to enable him as it suuts their agenda. The GOP know that without Trump, they will need at least 8 years to be electable again

@PerkingFaintly @YankTank thanks for the response - my DH worked for a large American company and then a few smaller ones, (small by American standards, not ours) so we have long connections, a friend is Minnesotan, and approves Walz. The rumours at the time were pretty strong about Trump TV in online and IT world. I agree, good psych profile of Trump since that time - he won't let it go now. I was musing on his relative silence in the last few days and did think he would try to monetise again. He could now be eeeeeven more the 'Victim'

Infamy infamy - they've all got it Informeeee!

Kenneth Williams...

Then he goes and does the rambling news conference which puts paid to the theory, at least for now. I really hope for America that they elect Harris/Walz. It's the Electoral College that concerns me.