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What is labour coming for next?

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MikeRafone · 30/07/2024 17:33

I reckon after 12 years of dozen fuel duty that drivers will be next

what tax will the collect next to fill the black hole

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LL1991 · 30/07/2024 23:17

@Kitte321 This! Corporation tax already gone up under Conservatives, we suspect it will rise again. Then we are taxed when we draw dividends, alongside paying tax & NI on our salaries. We employ 7 people on v.good salaries for the sector we work in, match their pension, pay for health insurance, look after them well and at this rate we'd make just as much money making redundancies across the board and just working as sole consultants. Business owners will soon get sick I'm afraid. We are dreading a likely long term for Labour as both our parents were self employed and have also always suffered under Labour govts. They simply do nothing to inspire people to want to do better.

Another76543 · 30/07/2024 23:22

@godmum56

My privately purchased private health insurance is taxed the same as any other insurance with insurance premium tax.

IPT on health insurance is 12%. That could be increased to 20%, as some other insurance is. The healthcare itself isn't subject to VAT either. If it was (it would raise a lot) insurance premiums would increase.

80smonster · 30/07/2024 23:25

ChilledOut79 · 30/07/2024 17:40

I would say CGT, IHT, Pensions and then VAT on University fees in the medium term.

Yeah I reckon so too.

DeadlyKnightshade · 30/07/2024 23:31

AmusedMaker · 30/07/2024 17:52

Inheritance tax definitely.

IHT is already 40% for everything above the thresholds

DeadlyKnightshade · 30/07/2024 23:36

WestSussexMomFriend · 30/07/2024 18:11

How about on takeaways, processed foods, tobacco, alcohol and sugary drinks? And clawbacks on salaries of the non productive public sector workers, consultancy firms being brought in on extortionate amounts to cover ass, and the people using public monies to become rich, or who scam the system etc? We can reduce our cost base via the cost of an unfit population, add some taxes and reduce the benefits bill. Agree Michelle Mone etc should be targeted for clawbacks too as part of the principle.

The rich will only accept so many tax rises and they are exceptionally mobile; IHT, IGT increases, increased company taxation and costs etc will see the people who earn and spend the most leave, leaving the UK weaker. They are an easy group to target but having them leave will be disastrous - and I know a lot leaving now. We’ll go soon too. Can’t wait to leave the place frankly. But the UK Inc will miss our massive tax bill, large levels of VATable spending, and our employees tax and spending.

Bye

Charlize43 · 30/07/2024 23:37

I'd like to see them hammer second home owners with taxes because it was mrs. thatcher with her second mortgages and buy to lets that ruined the housing market for the younger generations. A house should be a home and not an investment,

MeinKraft · 30/07/2024 23:42

7Blunders · 30/07/2024 17:59

I don't know why but it's all making me feel very miserable.
For the first time in my life I was starting to feel like we had some head room. We've had one disaster after another, credit crisis when dc were born, etc etc, covid and I must admit I was starting to feel positive at the end of tories.
Raising the tax threshold really helped me but I just have this awful sinking feeling.
I can't help feel quality of life here is going to plummet.
We needed those new hospitals, we need infrastructure and green spaces.
Every time we take a step forward I feel we are taking ten back.
I live in a town and some locals tried to fight for green space to be retained and not developed on. Unfortunately they lost but Michael gove gave us hope because he then mentioned something or had a scheme that seemed to ask foe more considerate quality of life etc.

But in one swoop it's all gone.
Unless you're very wealthy and can afford a detached house with lots of land it's all going to be very miserable.

There isn't much point building hospitals if you don't have the staff to work in them. Green belt land isn't much use to people sleeping in tents in under bridges.

OonaStubbs · 30/07/2024 23:43

Second homes and houses too big for the occupants should be taxed to high heavens. There are too many couples whose children have flown the coop still living in three or four (or more!) bedroom houses.

AvrielFinch · 30/07/2024 23:44

I think second homes and holiday homes should be taxed heavily. No one needs more than one home.
The Royal Family should give up some of their many homes.

UndergroundSquirrel · 30/07/2024 23:44

Spacecrispsnack · 30/07/2024 21:40

I think a standard 10% tax on all inheritances under the current threshold would raise a load of money and be fair. If you were going to inherit £1000 the £900 is more or less the same in terms of its enhancement on your life, same as £4,500 instead of £5k etc etc.

Inheritance Tax has to be paid before the estate is released to the beneficiaries. If it isn’t then interest is charged.

£100 may seem like a trifle to many people, but there are some who would struggle to find even that to pay an upfront tax. The longer they delay, the more interest is charged. So by being too poor to pay IHT upfront, the beneficiary would be charged even more and receive even less.

Some people really do live hand to mouth.

If the beneficiary received a car and some cash valued at £10,000 under your proposal they would need to stump up £1,000.

If they received a house valued at £200,000 they would have to pay £20,000 before they accessed the inheritance. You may have that sort of money sitting idle in your bank account, most people don’t.

And if the rumours are correct and Capital Gains tax is charged at income tax rates on homes with the inheritance exemption removed, then after having taken out a loan (if they are able) to cover the £20,000 IHT fee, they would also lose 20% (if a lower rate tax payer) to CGT charges on any increase in value between inheriting the house and being able to sell it to pay back the loan taken out to access the inheritance in the first place!

Putting · 30/07/2024 23:44

OonaStubbs · 30/07/2024 23:43

Second homes and houses too big for the occupants should be taxed to high heavens. There are too many couples whose children have flown the coop still living in three or four (or more!) bedroom houses.

There need to be properties to downsize to, though. There just aren’t vast numbers of one and two bedroom properties with manageable gardens out there.

Andthereitis · 30/07/2024 23:46

Dymaxion · 30/07/2024 21:03

Council tax bands haven't been updated since 1991 and I am pretty sure that house prices have seen a bit of increase since then ?

That would be the worst thing for them to mess with.

They have to tax things that aren't under incredible pressure already.

Nail salons, coffee shops, barbers, takeaways.

Tax that lot first.

baroqueandblue · 30/07/2024 23:46

7Blunders · 30/07/2024 17:59

I don't know why but it's all making me feel very miserable.
For the first time in my life I was starting to feel like we had some head room. We've had one disaster after another, credit crisis when dc were born, etc etc, covid and I must admit I was starting to feel positive at the end of tories.
Raising the tax threshold really helped me but I just have this awful sinking feeling.
I can't help feel quality of life here is going to plummet.
We needed those new hospitals, we need infrastructure and green spaces.
Every time we take a step forward I feel we are taking ten back.
I live in a town and some locals tried to fight for green space to be retained and not developed on. Unfortunately they lost but Michael gove gave us hope because he then mentioned something or had a scheme that seemed to ask foe more considerate quality of life etc.

But in one swoop it's all gone.
Unless you're very wealthy and can afford a detached house with lots of land it's all going to be very miserable.

By 'etc etc' I take it you mean (but conveniently don't say, because it ruins your fan narrative) the Tory hard Brexit?

Those new hospitals that the Tories promised, the majority of which they had no intention of building?

Your awful sinking feeling about quality of life being due to plummet - well, if that was actually about to happen I'd say "welcome to how life has been for many of us under 14 years of Tory misrule".

Sharptonguedwoman · 30/07/2024 23:48

Santagotrippedoffbyareindeer · 30/07/2024 17:45

I hope they clamp down on the "candy stores" and mobile phone stores that are a plague on our high streets.

Odd. How could they do that? Shops come under local government, not national.

UndergroundSquirrel · 30/07/2024 23:48

OonaStubbs · 30/07/2024 23:43

Second homes and houses too big for the occupants should be taxed to high heavens. There are too many couples whose children have flown the coop still living in three or four (or more!) bedroom houses.

So better for them to sell up and use the large amount of freed-up capital to buy a smaller 1-2 bedroom house, right?

You know, the sort of house people who are just starting on the property ladder struggle to buy.

Obviously it makes sense to pitch first-time buyers who may have a limited mortgage budget against downsizers who might well be cash buyers after the sale of their larger homes.

Then again, maybe all the first-time buyers you know are snapping up 4 bedroom houses!

Dorisbonson · 31/07/2024 00:09

LlynTegid · 30/07/2024 17:41

I hope that some motorists are taxed more. It would not be fuel duty for me but PCP and similar payments for larger cars.

I'd tax frequent flyers not the once a year holiday flight.

So tax international businessman and investors more for visiting and investing?

So smart.

MaidOfAle · 31/07/2024 00:12

absquatulize · 30/07/2024 21:48

Its an odd system that a few very rich people earn so much more and therefore pay so much more tax than everyone else, and then that tax is used to pay benefits to many workers because they don't get paid enough. I am just wondering if it might be a more efficient system to pay those workers a bit more in the first place.

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In-work benefits for full-timers, other than CB, shouldn't be needed because National Living Wage should be enough.

When we give benefits to full-time workers, it's actually the employer who the taxpayer subsidises.

MaidOfAle · 31/07/2024 00:14

OonaStubbs · 30/07/2024 23:43

Second homes and houses too big for the occupants should be taxed to high heavens. There are too many couples whose children have flown the coop still living in three or four (or more!) bedroom houses.

There aren't enough two-or-fewer bedroom houses and flats to go around to make that workable, as millions found out when the "bedroom tax" was introduced.

Dorisbonson · 31/07/2024 00:14

RationalityIsHard · 30/07/2024 17:48

I'd like them to tax luxuries more, as they are already doing with the VAT on private schools, but use it to subsidise the essentials.

So tax flights and big SUVs\Range Rovers\etc and use the money to subsidise the trains.

Or tax luxury food and drink and subsidise british fruit and veg.

Or tax private healthcare and use it to fund the NHS.

However the most obvious thing to do, but also the hardest, is to tax the wealth of the very rich (anyone with over 10 million in assets) and especially the super rich (over 500 million) before they own literally everything and most of us go back to being serfs.

Yes let's have penalty levels of tax on the most internationally mobile taxpayers who consume the least amount of government services. Let's totally erode our tax revenue base, make the UK as unattractive as possible by taxing the rich so much that they leave, stop investing here and they go and pay tax elsewhere. Then when they have all gone and pay tax in foreign countries we can tax middle income people more. Brilliant.

absquatulize · 31/07/2024 00:17

Dorisbonson · 31/07/2024 00:14

Yes let's have penalty levels of tax on the most internationally mobile taxpayers who consume the least amount of government services. Let's totally erode our tax revenue base, make the UK as unattractive as possible by taxing the rich so much that they leave, stop investing here and they go and pay tax elsewhere. Then when they have all gone and pay tax in foreign countries we can tax middle income people more. Brilliant.

Given we are not supposed to like migrants, and you are suggesting people will migrate, then presumably we shouldn't like those people anyway.

WestSussexMomFriend · 31/07/2024 00:19

MaidOfAle · 30/07/2024 20:23

Are you sincerely suggesting that having the State lock you up for reporting rape is better than the State ignoring your report?

Are you sincerely suggesting that reporting your rape and having it ignored, and then the rape happening again and again (gang raped btw) is better? Honestly? I think sane people would say both are awful scenarios and leave it at that. Do you work in the British justice system which makes you determined to support it at all costs?

Dorisbonson · 31/07/2024 00:21

absquatulize · 30/07/2024 22:17

Can I just check, have any of the bosses of Thames Water or the Post Office or the Banks that gambled our money away, paid with the shirts on their backs?

Thames Water shareholders lost billions.

MaidOfAle · 31/07/2024 00:30

WestSussexMomFriend · 31/07/2024 00:19

Are you sincerely suggesting that reporting your rape and having it ignored, and then the rape happening again and again (gang raped btw) is better? Honestly? I think sane people would say both are awful scenarios and leave it at that. Do you work in the British justice system which makes you determined to support it at all costs?

I understand the distinction between the State abusing women and private citizens abusing women. Only the first is classed as a human rights abuse and only the first is something that the State have direct control over and could stop immediately any time they chose.

The State does not have absolute control over the actions of private citizens, so grooming gangs etc will happen everywhere, including in UAE. The State can control its own actions, and in UAE the State has chosen to jail rape victims. Can you not see how that is objectively an excellent reason for women not to go there?

Do you work in the British justice system which makes you determined to support it at all costs?

No. I just understand the difference between human rights abuses perpetrated by the State and crimes carried out by individuals. I also can see a very simple practical aspect: a woman or girl has at least some chance of fleeing a grooming gang to safety. She has no chance of escaping from prison.

MaidOfAle · 31/07/2024 00:31

Dorisbonson · 31/07/2024 00:21

Thames Water shareholders lost billions.

Shareholders aren't bosses.

Dorisbonson · 31/07/2024 00:31

absquatulize · 31/07/2024 00:17

Given we are not supposed to like migrants, and you are suggesting people will migrate, then presumably we shouldn't like those people anyway.

I'm not clear what point you are making?

Do you understand that you will pay a lot more tax in the long run if wealthy taxpayers leave the UK?