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5.5% funded pay rise for teachers and binning performance related pay

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noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 18:44

Good news for teachers and schools as the govt accept the independent pay body review recommendation of a 5.5% pay rise across all pay points, and pledge enough extra funding to schools to pay for it.

In addition, they are scrapping performance related pay and allowing PPA to be taken at home.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2024-07-29/hcws35

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NorthernGirlie · 29/07/2024 18:55

Excellent news. I was just readithis on TES. Selfishly hoping it is applied to FE staff too!

Cavalierchaos · 29/07/2024 19:06

Woohoo!

Myusername2015 · 29/07/2024 19:16

woo hoo! Pretty sure our timetabler will swiftly be ensuring we all have PPA now in the middle of a day though 😂

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Biscuitandacuppa · 29/07/2024 19:18

I’m really pleased for teachers but very disappointed that school support staff have been offered a £1290 lump sum pro rata.

merryandbrightdelight · 29/07/2024 19:19

NorthernGirlie · 29/07/2024 18:55

Excellent news. I was just readithis on TES. Selfishly hoping it is applied to FE staff too!

Snap!

noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 19:20

Biscuitandacuppa · 29/07/2024 19:18

I’m really pleased for teachers but very disappointed that school support staff have been offered a £1290 lump sum pro rata.

Was that agreed in April? I know support staff pay runs on a different timetable to teachers.

At least they have agreed to fund support staff pay rises as well as teachers, so hopefully we won't see any support staff being made redundant as a result of this.

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Cherrysoup · 29/07/2024 19:20

Fab, hopefully in my last couple of years so nice boost. Didn’t even have to strike! 😹

Biscuitandacuppa · 29/07/2024 19:26

noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 19:20

Was that agreed in April? I know support staff pay runs on a different timetable to teachers.

At least they have agreed to fund support staff pay rises as well as teachers, so hopefully we won't see any support staff being made redundant as a result of this.

One union has accepted it and 2 have rejected it so currently not agreed but they declined the recommendation of £3000 and offered £1290. This happened last year and in the end there was no movement on the offer so I’m not hopeful that anything will change.
Also they backpay a lump sum and then everyone loses more through tax than they should. Those on universal credit also then lose benefits the following month as increases in pay are reclaimed at a rate of 63p in the pound. It’s frankly ridiculous and penalises the lowest paid workers.

ThrallsWife · 29/07/2024 19:27

Working in a county where near enough 100% of schools are academies, I'm interested to see the impact this will have on our working conditions.

The 5.5% raise is welcome; I hope it will be passed on by the MAT and not just used to carry out other necessary works, such as fixing the crumbling roof in my place.
I cannot see too many academy trusts happy to part with PRP, though. It's too nice a stick to beat their staff into completing extra, unpaid work with. The document I've had to fill in for October is 10 pages long and counting.

I'm fully aware that I'm a cynic in that regard.

noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 20:00

Biscuitandacuppa · 29/07/2024 19:26

One union has accepted it and 2 have rejected it so currently not agreed but they declined the recommendation of £3000 and offered £1290. This happened last year and in the end there was no movement on the offer so I’m not hopeful that anything will change.
Also they backpay a lump sum and then everyone loses more through tax than they should. Those on universal credit also then lose benefits the following month as increases in pay are reclaimed at a rate of 63p in the pound. It’s frankly ridiculous and penalises the lowest paid workers.

That is really crap. There was something in the announcement about a new support staff pay negotiating body so maybe that will help in the future?

If the govt are serious about recruiting and retaining more teachers, then sorting out recruitment and retention of support staff is definitely a part of that.

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noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 20:30

ThrallsWife · 29/07/2024 19:27

Working in a county where near enough 100% of schools are academies, I'm interested to see the impact this will have on our working conditions.

The 5.5% raise is welcome; I hope it will be passed on by the MAT and not just used to carry out other necessary works, such as fixing the crumbling roof in my place.
I cannot see too many academy trusts happy to part with PRP, though. It's too nice a stick to beat their staff into completing extra, unpaid work with. The document I've had to fill in for October is 10 pages long and counting.

I'm fully aware that I'm a cynic in that regard.

I have to say that since teacher recruitment and retention has become such an issue for schools, my MAT has become far less arsehole-ish about things like pay progression and a smidgen more flexible about things like part timetables.

So academies that decide to ignore these things may well end up paying in terms of teacher shortages as teachers choose to teach elsewhere.

United Learning are going the other way and paying their teachers more than the recommended pay scale.

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absolutelyflawed · 29/07/2024 20:48

Is the 5.5% in Addition to or Instead of annual rise in September ?

Will it apply from 1 September ?

noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 21:05

There's a 10 week consultation period from September so we don't normally have it applied till December when it's then backdated to September.

It's a 5.5% increase to all points of the pay scale, so if you're expecting to go up the pay scale, you'll go up the pay scale, but the next pay point will be 5.5% higher than it was last year.

If you're at the top of the pay scale, your pay goes up 5.5%.

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Shinyandnew1 · 29/07/2024 21:08

This is good news-pleased to see a decision made so quickly.

Charlie2121 · 29/07/2024 21:10

Private sector taxes are going to reach eye watering levels. This reckless spending will destroy the country. Only 4 years 11 months left for us to suffer.

noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 21:14

Charlie2121 · 29/07/2024 21:10

Private sector taxes are going to reach eye watering levels. This reckless spending will destroy the country. Only 4 years 11 months left for us to suffer.

The lack of spending destroyed the country. Austerity fucked everything.

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Barnabyby · 29/07/2024 21:16

Charlie2121 · 29/07/2024 21:10

Private sector taxes are going to reach eye watering levels. This reckless spending will destroy the country. Only 4 years 11 months left for us to suffer.

Sorry? 'reckless' spending?

Sherrystrull · 29/07/2024 21:23

Charlie2121 · 29/07/2024 21:10

Private sector taxes are going to reach eye watering levels. This reckless spending will destroy the country. Only 4 years 11 months left for us to suffer.

Reckless spending? Wow.

I'd argue that spending on the NHS and education was far less reckless than the tories have been.

ChubSeedsYorkie · 29/07/2024 21:31

Charlie2121 · 29/07/2024 21:10

Private sector taxes are going to reach eye watering levels. This reckless spending will destroy the country. Only 4 years 11 months left for us to suffer.

Ah yes let’s just keep those pesky public sector workers on low pay. They don’t deserve payrises.

Shinyandnew1 · 29/07/2024 21:33

Charlie2121 · 29/07/2024 21:10

Private sector taxes are going to reach eye watering levels. This reckless spending will destroy the country. Only 4 years 11 months left for us to suffer.

Better that money gets spent on paying teachers and doctors properly than on giving people like Michelle Mone a massive great yacht.

oObyeOo · 29/07/2024 21:35

Charlie2121 · 29/07/2024 21:10

Private sector taxes are going to reach eye watering levels. This reckless spending will destroy the country. Only 4 years 11 months left for us to suffer.

Do you not want children to have a good education?

absolutelyflawed · 29/07/2024 21:49

noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 21:05

There's a 10 week consultation period from September so we don't normally have it applied till December when it's then backdated to September.

It's a 5.5% increase to all points of the pay scale, so if you're expecting to go up the pay scale, you'll go up the pay scale, but the next pay point will be 5.5% higher than it was last year.

If you're at the top of the pay scale, your pay goes up 5.5%.

Thanks - bear with me I’m autistic - so it normally just goes up in line with inflation?

Or not at all if you’re at top of pay grade ?

noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 21:56

absolutelyflawed · 29/07/2024 21:49

Thanks - bear with me I’m autistic - so it normally just goes up in line with inflation?

Or not at all if you’re at top of pay grade ?

Are you a teacher? There are pay scales which classroom teachers progress up according to performance management.

Then the value of each point of the pay scale normally goes up by what the government decides each year (used to be referred to as the 'cost of living increase') and for the last 14 years this has generally been below inflation and some years it hasn't gone up at all.

This means that teacher pay in real terms has gone down a significant amount. If you are at the top of the classroom pay scale you've had real terms pay cuts for the last 14 years.

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LuckbeaLady2 · 29/07/2024 22:01

When you say they would fund support staff do you mean they are going to halt the current ideas that ss are not needed and ehcp are a and idea etc.

So ss will potentially get one lump sum payment but no pay increase!

Lemonsallday · 29/07/2024 22:03

Is it just England?

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