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5.5% funded pay rise for teachers and binning performance related pay

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noblegiraffe · 29/07/2024 18:44

Good news for teachers and schools as the govt accept the independent pay body review recommendation of a 5.5% pay rise across all pay points, and pledge enough extra funding to schools to pay for it.

In addition, they are scrapping performance related pay and allowing PPA to be taken at home.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2024-07-29/hcws35

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noblegiraffe · 30/07/2024 23:58

winewolfhowls · 30/07/2024 22:11

Whaaat why not for FE?

Because they don't fall under the scope of the independent pay review body that recommended 5.5%

I'm not sure how FE teacher pay is negotiated.

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WarriorN · 31/07/2024 08:27

@Takoneko no primary so if full time they get a decent chunk of time.

WarriorN · 31/07/2024 08:28

Proud to say the hats never made sense to me in an applicable way.

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Superhansrantowindsor · 31/07/2024 08:51

I would jut like to point out that teachers will still be scrutinised to check they are ‘performing’ adequately by OFSTD and through observation by SLT.

ThrallsWife · 31/07/2024 08:55

Having PPA time first or last thing in the day only makes sense to take at home if there are no other commitments around those times anyway.

Working in a school with 2-3 morning briefings, tutor time and up to 3 after-school commitments (meetings, clubs and intervention) there are precious few days where PPA, even at the end of the day, would not end up as trapped time.

To me, this is just a nice soundbite with little real-life application. I can't imagine primary school being much different.

Instead, the 23 tasks should actually be enforced in schools. It would make a huge difference, but obviously it would lead to higher costs as more admin staff would be needed.

LuckbeaLady2 · 31/07/2024 09:05

Labour betrayal

Is the fe headline. No awards or funding for fe and colleges.

The unions are of course up in arms.

Strange move.

Takoneko · 31/07/2024 09:08

ThrallsWife · 31/07/2024 08:55

Having PPA time first or last thing in the day only makes sense to take at home if there are no other commitments around those times anyway.

Working in a school with 2-3 morning briefings, tutor time and up to 3 after-school commitments (meetings, clubs and intervention) there are precious few days where PPA, even at the end of the day, would not end up as trapped time.

To me, this is just a nice soundbite with little real-life application. I can't imagine primary school being much different.

Instead, the 23 tasks should actually be enforced in schools. It would make a huge difference, but obviously it would lead to higher costs as more admin staff would be needed.

That’s a very good point. I hadn’t even accounted for meetings, twilight training, interventions etc. I can’t see this being something that makes any real impact in secondaries.

I think primary is different in that PPA is often taken in one big chunk each week.

absquatulize · 31/07/2024 09:23

ThrallsWife · 31/07/2024 08:55

Having PPA time first or last thing in the day only makes sense to take at home if there are no other commitments around those times anyway.

Working in a school with 2-3 morning briefings, tutor time and up to 3 after-school commitments (meetings, clubs and intervention) there are precious few days where PPA, even at the end of the day, would not end up as trapped time.

To me, this is just a nice soundbite with little real-life application. I can't imagine primary school being much different.

Instead, the 23 tasks should actually be enforced in schools. It would make a huge difference, but obviously it would lead to higher costs as more admin staff would be needed.

A work force agreement akin to Tony Blair's that applied to all state schools, would be an excellent thing at the moment. It would probably do a significant amount to resolve the retention crisis in teaching as well.

noblegiraffe · 31/07/2024 11:00

LuckbeaLady2 · 31/07/2024 09:05

Labour betrayal

Is the fe headline. No awards or funding for fe and colleges.

The unions are of course up in arms.

Strange move.

It's not really a strange move, Labour were essentially forced into giving teachers the 5.5% as that was the independent pay review body recommendation, which does not apply to FE. They 100% did not want to give teachers a 5.5% pay rise but it was sprung on them by the last government who deliberately didn't reveal the pay review body recommendation when they were given it, well before the election.

The problem Labour faced was a recommendation that was higher than expected, when one of their main pledges was to recruit 6500 more teachers. They couldn't reject the recommendation that was made in response to a recruitment crisis by pleading lack of money.

The pay review body recommendation doesn't apply to FE. Labour AFAIK didn't make any major pledges related to FE teachers. Government departments have just been told to make £billions in cuts.

So politically, it's perfectly understandable.

Obviously that doesn't make it any less shit for FE.

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Tapandsink · 31/07/2024 12:01

ThrallsWife · 31/07/2024 08:55

Having PPA time first or last thing in the day only makes sense to take at home if there are no other commitments around those times anyway.

Working in a school with 2-3 morning briefings, tutor time and up to 3 after-school commitments (meetings, clubs and intervention) there are precious few days where PPA, even at the end of the day, would not end up as trapped time.

To me, this is just a nice soundbite with little real-life application. I can't imagine primary school being much different.

Instead, the 23 tasks should actually be enforced in schools. It would make a huge difference, but obviously it would lead to higher costs as more admin staff would be needed.

Completely agree. I am lucky enough to take my PPA from home and use it to take my child to an extra curricular he wouldn't do otherwise and then work whilst he does that. However, I do 100% of my photocopying, displays and things like sticking labels on books (and I do.l mean 100% because gone are the days when a TA has a spare 5 minutes here or there). It seems absolutely bonkers that I'm earning about £46k and that's seem as an efficient use of my time.When I worked in the private sector it would have been seen as a waste of 'people resource'.

WarriorN · 31/07/2024 14:16

Superhansrantowindsor · 31/07/2024 08:51

I would jut like to point out that teachers will still be scrutinised to check they are ‘performing’ adequately by OFSTD and through observation by SLT.

Yes, it's constant.

Apart from anything it's also part of ongoing safeguarding.

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