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Black woman shot dead in her house in USA

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SofaTroubles · 23/07/2024 11:45

I opened bbc news this morning to see this headline, along with a video, bodycam from the officers, of what happened. I was so shocked. She’d called the police as she feared an intruder and they went into her house so she could get her ID. One of them
mentioned the pot of water boiling on the stove and said he didn’t want a fire. So she removed it, and as she was talking to him he literally shot her. Multiple times. And killed her. I couldn’t believe what I was watching. I’ve checked mumsnet for another thread and can’t find anything and I just went back on bbc news to post the link and it’s disappeared.

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alldayeveryday247 · 24/07/2024 07:49

The proof he executed her and self defence wasn't even in his mind is that he shot her in the head. In the face.

If you want to incapacitate someone in self defence you can shoot them in the leg / arm. Any danger he perceived would then be over.

But he didn't perceive danger in reality.

And he didn't need to shoot her.

He's just a fucking animal. A racist piece of shit.

I can't imagine how scary it is to be black person in America right now.

x2boys · 24/07/2024 11:57

Raspberrymoon49 · 23/07/2024 19:46

Makes me feel sick, their default is always the gun, why not use taser if you HAD to do something, but situation didn’t call for anything like that, hope this officer receives hefty prison sentence, he belongs in same environment as disgusting Chauvin

Yes exactly, taser or pepper spray, even they might not be appropriate but at least she would still be alive.

hastingsmax · 24/07/2024 12:39

He's a murderer yes, but why is everyone calling him racist?

cupcaske123 · 24/07/2024 12:39

hastingsmax · 24/07/2024 12:39

He's a murderer yes, but why is everyone calling him racist?

Because racism is endemic in the American police force.

PinkFizz1 · 24/07/2024 12:40

hastingsmax · 24/07/2024 12:39

He's a murderer yes, but why is everyone calling him racist?

Do you really believe he would’ve acted the same way with a white woman?!

usernamerequiredplease · 24/07/2024 12:41

@PinkFizz1

I don't know, I don't know him.

holtol · 24/07/2024 12:53

hastingsmax · 24/07/2024 12:39

He's a murderer yes, but why is everyone calling him racist?

Because the woman was black.

Because if the woman was white she would still be here.

Because this story is rinse and repeat for black people in America. See also George Floyd.

x2boys · 24/07/2024 13:04

hastingsmax · 24/07/2024 12:39

He's a murderer yes, but why is everyone calling him racist?

Because there is a long history of the police being violent towards and killing black people nothing seems to changecl it even after George floyde was murdered and all the black lives matter riots nothings changed

Fizzib · 24/07/2024 13:09

Agreed with everyone above as to the reasons how it’s pretty clear he is racist.

Look at his attitude towards her right from the start. I doubt he speaks to everyone like that.

I think we can safely conclude his anti-Black prejudice was the reason for the hostility.
Often when they dig further into these officers backgrounds stuff will come out about how various other POC have made complaints to the police department about their behaviour.

It may be the first black person he’s killed but the discriminatory treatment would have been evident for a long time. And no doubt his colleagues all turned a blind eye sadly.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/07/2024 13:49

hastingsmax · 24/07/2024 12:39

He's a murderer yes, but why is everyone calling him racist?

If it quacks and waddles, it's a duck. Another dead, Black person in America. At the hands of police. Of course it's racism.

GiveMeMySoddingCokeZero · 26/07/2024 21:06

This vicious crime reminds me so much of the police attacks discussed in this BBC article I read a few years ago, "Don't shoot, I'm disabled": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45739335

I think that article might've been one of the first times I read about how US police training is often designed to produce confrontative, controlling, aggressive officer behaviour, and can encourage officers to assume bad intent and unnecessarily escalate situations. It would make sense that any member of the public who behaves at all unusually, like someone who's mentally unwell, is going to risk setting off that apparently hair-trigger response.

Add to that a racist society and a racist police force, where the assumed likelihood of ill-intent is already turned up way higher for Black people, where Black people's behaviour is more likely to be interpreted as aggressive, irrational or defiant, where Black children are perceived as older than white children, where police maybe feel they're more likely to get away with excessive force when it's a Black victim, where police cover for each other, and where the most extremely racist, violent people deemed unsuitable to be officers can just get a job in the next county over… I can't imagine how terrifying it must be to be in Sonya Massey's situation — frightened by the possibility of an intruder, vulnerable and maybe confused due to mental illness, and at heightened risk from police because your skin's not white.

The UK isn't all wonderful for mentally ill or disabled people either, obviously, nor for people from minority groups. There's still ignorance, lack of understanding of health issues or difference, and of course racism. But I don't think our police have the same kind of training that encourages officers to think everyone's about to jump them with a weapon, or to believe that every situation needs to be controlled and subdued with dominating force rather than de-escalated. And they don't routinely have guns, of course.

I have ASD and bipolar disorder, have very occasionally had contact with police when unwell, and I've always found them calm, kind and respectful. I know things may have gone differently if I were Black and/or male, and many people's experiences with UK police are very different — a documentary I saw a few months ago exposed some appalling police behaviour towards people with mental illness. But I can say that if UK police routinely took this kind of paranoid, self-protecting, aggressive approach, with the incomprehensible yelling and pointing of guns, some of my contacts with police could've ended quite differently. It makes me go cold to think about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45739335

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/07/2024 13:46

abcnews.go.com/US/illinois-deputy-charged-fatal-shooting-sonya-massey-woman/story?id=112058957

He wasn't justified in deadly force and he did not render aid. Nor did he put his body cam on when he arrived at the scene according to this article. It's hard to see it as anything other than a murder in cold blood.

Elleherd · 27/07/2024 19:21

I saw this a few days ago and I'd like to say I cried or was shocked, but I didn't and I wasn't. I have friends there and I've seen too much and been caught up in too much here involving police and race including a murder, (because that is what kicking a man senseless and leaving him to die in custody is, no matter the cover up) to react with more than sad weariness.

Thug life's entitlement and misogynoir is spilling out of him from the beginning. Slice him down the center and it's written through him like Brighton rock.
She held no value in his eyes, and it took little for him to find a reason to be reactive to her.

Her death will be next weeks chip papers for most.
RIP Sonia Massey

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