What do you think of this year 5 punishment?

[Mayhemmumma]

Curious - not sure how I feel about it, interested in what other schools do.

DS 10 in year 5, loves school, is a good boy, never in any trouble (hence this is new to me) he has good friends, tries hard etc etc

He doesn't like his teacher who he says shouts so loud he turns bright red and is scary, one day he said he shouted so loud he thought he was going to hit a child.

Today DS was asked to sit with a new boy from Ukraine - DS got on well with him, they were laughing about a funny story the teacher read out and chatted during the lesson -he knows this isn't allowed.

His punishment was to miss break and sat alone facing the window and was told this was to watch the other children play outside to see what he would have been doing if he hadn't broken a class rule.

I’m a teacher. I did it today.

I wouldn't like that either. It's too Draconian for a kid that was probably just overexcited and chatty because there was a new person. It's all a bit too much like spirit crushing is the goal.

Good riddance to this teacher, it sounds like.

And the 1970s wants him back.
Don't underestimate the damage teachers like this can do...I speak from experience

I'm a secondary school teacher. The behaviour in my (very nice and 'well to do') school is utterly appalling. This is mainly because too many students think rules are optional. Even some of the 'nicer' children in younger years are rude and defiant when challenged or asked to be quiet. Compared to even a few years ago, behaviour has deteriorated immensely. A heavily pregnant member of staff had a chair thrown at her today by a Y7 child who is normally very little bother. Harsher punishments and discipline both at home and in school are needed IMO... if not, I really do fear for society! It's absolutely a shame for the kids who do tend to listen and be respectful... but I think a zero tolerance policy to low level disruption and disrespectful behaviour is needed across the board... if not, by the time we get them in secondary, it's a lost cause.

Rules are definitely required,it's how they're implemented.
I had the violent teachers,the bullies,the indifferent,the ones that dished out humiliation by the bucket load ...and it leaves a mark.

I read it as 5 year old not Y5 🤦🏽‍♀️ I probably wouldn't complain especially at this time of year but the teacher sounds awful.

Replace the word ‘child’ in your OP with the word ‘husband’ or ‘friend’ and you’ll see how bizarre it is to punish someone for laughing.

Amen brother. We need to bring back more of this stuff in primary. Our school had a row of dunces tables for the naughty boys. These were bad lads with little academic prowess and stayed in the naughty row permanently. If ever a good kid was naughty the were sent to join these riff raff and that was usually shame enough not to be naughty again. There was also the classic standing in a corner for minor indiscretions. The ultimate was sending down to the headmasters office, thats when you knew you were in the shit and a letter would go home. There's a time and a place for nicey nicey in the infant stage of primary but come years 5 and 6 you need a firmer hand.

😂 good one.

@Mayhemmumma Have you read the school behaviour policy? What does it say about punishment? Is this punishment listed under possible sanctions? If not, complain. Behaviour policies should be discussed with parents and followed or what is the point in having one? If it clearly says they can do this to a child for a minor misdemeanour, you’ve signed up to it. I doubt this punishment is detailed in it, so complain,

Id also complain about a shouter. Nothing worse. Most schools work best with calm
teachers.

If secondary schools don’t follow behaviour policies, they should . Weak SLT usually and inability to promote a calm purposeful ethos.

I agree about many children's behaviour being a lost cause by the time they get to secondary. The fact that this 10 year old can't remain silent when asked is very concerning. The fact that so many people think he should be allowed to get away with that is even more concerning

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - most parents would be horrified if they saw the behaviour in some schools. It often starts small and escalates. And another thread where the parent has taken the kids version as gospel. Don’t minimise how disruptive it can be to a lesson if a pupil persists in talking whilst you try and teach.

I would definitely raise a complaint. This is close to bullying your child. If someone ask to my children to sit in front of the window, rather than doing something useful, I’m going straight to the school office. Sorry, but zero tolerance for this old style method of discipline. The teacher also very cheeky, for doing it close to the end of the school year.

I’d write to the school and include the school governors.

as someone up thread stated this was a spiteful no productive punishment. It’s not appropriate in a modern day school.

keep the letter succinct and terse

Zero tolerance is just an empty slogan.

If you actually are a teacher you surely understand humans are complicated with varied needs.

Saying 'zero tolerance' won't fix anything. Explain the system, and how you'd apply it appropriately and productively.

It depends if you ever want them to get any work done. A lot of children love working in silence for a bit. School is a very noisy environment.

I would mention all of it to school. The teacher sounds like he can’t control his temper and his methods seem very outdated. A Ukrainian child joined my DD’s class in Y5 and DD was chosen to sit next to her and help settle her in. She won a school values award for her efforts.your teachers response seems completely OTT.

A Year 5 is beyond old enough and been in school long enough to know they shouldn't be chatting in class through a lesson. No matter how 'excited' they might be about a new student.

If parents had ANY idea how much constant low level disruptions are impacting their children's educations, perhaps they might start backing teachers up at home rather than complaining that their children were held to account for their behaviour choices.

Lol, yeah that's probably it. Can't have 10 year olds having their interest in a career trading state secrets piqued 😄

Edit to add - doesn't it seem a lot more likely this teacher is a bit Victorian with anger issues?
Op, I'd encourage your child to be excited he only has to put up with him for a few more days, but would factually feed back to the head.

I do have an issue with kids missing breaks- mainly because I think that antsy kids who need a run around tend not to behave well. It’s not behaviour management, it’s just punishment. Behaviour management would be to split up the talking children. If they’ve got behind in their work from talking I think it’s ok to keep them in a couple of minutes longer than the rest of their class to make some progress on the work- that is a more natural consequence than “you were disobedient so you miss break” but I still wouldn’t keep them in for the whole break because I think kids need exercise and a break to help with their concentration.

The window thing sounds mean but could’ve been taken out of context.

I would be furious.

I have let stuff go with awful
teachers at our school and now I look back and think why the Jeff did I leave this. It’s a big regret of mine and knocks on my conscience often.

Definitely say something. Even in September. But don’t leave it .

🙄🙄🙄

Teachers should be experienced enough to control their temper in class and not scream at children until they are red in the face.