So sad about Strictly.

[CurlewKate]

It's been part of our family life since it started. I really wanted to think it was as wholesome and joyous and life affirming as it looked, even though I knew it probably wasn't.

And there are celebrities that I feel differently about now because they didn't blow the whistle.😢

See my other reply.

I don't disagree with that. I mean the programme, as I said – the way the show itself as aired is presented, referring to Saturday night etc. People sometimes audibly catch themselves saying 'earlier' and correct it to 'on Saturday night' or 'last night'.

I'm not sure what the problem is with saying 'Saturday night' to refer to Saturday night's programme - you can't have a pre-recorded programme going out on Sunday night which refers to 'earlier' when in tx terms it was the day before? This is very basic tv grammar that is understood by the audience, surely?

Hear hear to this!

Every single Saturday night ends on the down note of “oh ffs having to wait until tomorrow” .

And the Sunday result show isn’t nearly substantial enough to warrant a show on its own on a separate day.

So by showing results on Sunday, they detract from both shows if you ask me.

And could not agree more about the half time singers! It’s ridiculous! The titting about is ridiculous too annd again detracts from both parties. Save the act fee and let’s watch the professionals on their own. Or get in other dance acts: ballet dancers, Irish dancers, dance troupes, the lot! We don’t need oddly staged pop acts.

For a while they did show the whole thing on a Saturday night. There were two programmes, with the second one being after the news, I think. I guess they didn't think it worked for whatever reasons, so reverted to the Sunday results show.

I guess it's seen as a family show, so having the results late on Saturday would mean younger children not being able to watch it. The results show is tedious though - they only need it to be 10 mins long but of course they want something more substantial so bulk it out with utter shit. I've stopped watching it - if we watch strictly we only watch the Saturday show and then we just find out sometime in the week who left.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the pretence on the show though - it's like if you watch the Graham Norton show, it's filmed on a Thursday and shown on a Friday so if any actors are there discussing a release of a film they'll say "it's out today". It's normal to adjust the language if you know a show is being aired at a different time.

Maybe I'm not being clear. I'll try again.

• As everyone in the real world knows (inc people like those who talk in interviews about the results leaking etc), the two shows are created one after the other. The main show goes out live; the results show is recorded and shown on a Sunday.
• On the results show itself, aired on a Sunday, people talk about 'last night' as though they danced last night, not earlier THAT night. That's the pretence.
• So when you say 'everyone is always completely open about filming the Sunday show on Saturday… I don't think anyone is pulling the wool over your eyes' I disagree, because, while a lot of people ARE open about it (see my first point), the show itself – by which I mean the presenters, judges, contestants when they talk on the Sunday show – is at great pains to talk about 'our tango last night' etc, when the audience knows very well that that tango was earlier that same night.

So while I agree with you that yes, in terms of TV grammar it would be weird to talk about 'earlier' that day when actually there has been no Strictly on TV earlier that day, there is a pretence in that the Sunday show is presented as happening on a Sunday when the world knows that it actually happened the previous night.

<<goes for a lie-down>>

On the results show itself, aired on a Sunday, people talk about 'last night' as though they danced last night, not earlier THAT night. That's the pretence.

I think this is where we diverge. They talk about 'last night' as though their dance was shown on tv last night. Which it was. From the audience's perspective (the people they are talking to), it happened last night. That's the nature of pre-recorded programmes, they can't say 'earlier on' or 'just now' because it doesn't make any sense to the Sunday audience. I think most viewers do understand how tv is made and that it's not all live, and there is a grammar around how to do this without making every link super long and boring. Maybe you would prefer "earlier on for us, because we're filming this on Saturday night after all the performances, but it'll be yesterday for you because it's not going out until Sunday of course, so for me saying these words it's Saturday but for you hearing them it's Sunday", but nobody else wants that in every link and interview 😅

Arent you both agreeing?!

😂 I don't think so but maybe!

They did use to have a Saturday results show on Saturdays. Doctor Who or something else was broadcasted inbetween the dances and results. Last time was 2007 when Aleshia Dixon won it.

Yes this was discussed earlier. BBC then decided to string it out to a 45 min Sunday show which is all a bit pointless when you can read the strictly spoiler.

Last life results was in 2009, when Ola won with Chris Hollins.

I think the switch from live to recorded tied in with Bruceys health starting to decline and obviously these live shows are a lot of stress.
But there’s no reason why they can’t go back to the live element of the results. Obviously can’t keep the same presenters; Tess has me peeking through my hands every time she speaks, but they could return to that format
I mean traditional channels are competing with Netflix etc- the one thing they can do is to put shows out live in order to draw people in.

Well no, obviously I don't want 'earlier on for us, because we're filming this on Saturday night after all the performances…'
Just 'earlier' would suffice. Everyone knows they're watching it on a Sunday, but it's acknowledged that it happened the previous night.

Well no, obviously I don't want 'earlier on for us, because we're filming this on Saturday night after all the performances…'
Just 'earlier' would suffice. Everyone knows they're watching it on a Sunday, but it's acknowledged that it happened the previous night.

But it would be mad to say 'earlier' in the Sunday show when referring to something that happened in the Saturday show. V confusing for the audience, for whom it happened yesterday. I mean you literally made exactly this point yourself:

in terms of TV grammar it would be weird to talk about 'earlier' that day when actually there has been no Strictly on TV earlier that day

It's very common to have to manage this scenario in tv presentation scripts. They are all about communicating with the audience and for them, 'earlier' makes no sense at all.

Iirc on Strictly they are pretty careful to stick with 'Saturday night' or 'Saturday night's show' instead of 'last night', to avoid accusations that they are deliberately trying to mislead people. That's the sort of thing people get their knickers in a twist about. But nobody in their right mind would advocate saying 'earlier' when for the viewers it happened the day before.

So he admits it https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clly0220gz5o

but it was only once 🤨 and it was a mistake so not that big a deal really and the poor boy has had to leave the country….

Usual bullshit coming out.

It’s worse then you can imagine and I’m saying that from first hand experience

Why are posters talking at length about live v recorded shows when this thread is about the abuse of contestants and the toxic culture… what’s the live format got to do with it?

Weird derail of thread …. way to kill the discussion of important issues ! And so boring arguing over nothing. Always happens on mumsnet threads

I’m sad that the show may not continue as it’s a bonding experience with my DD. But my DH is happy as he can’t stand it!

I think the BBC needs to tackle this head on and be open/transparent. Otherwise innocent people will get caught up in rumours. I’m not sure the show can survive this. Interesting how all the Strictly celebrities on social media are silent. I don’t think the public will accept brushing this under the carpet.

It’s not a derail or remotely wierd.

A discussion about the abuse led quite naturally to a discussion about how the BBC spreads the show very thinly over many platforms and outlets (podcasts, It takes II, sm etc) leading to more pressure on contestants.

And that led naturally to a discussion about how the format could be simplified.

Sorry but why is that more boring than discussion about your family’s viewing habits? Threads generally evolve and branch out from the original topic.

I agree that the BBC need to tackle all of this very transparently but I think the horse has already bolted on that front.

Interesting how all the Strictly celebrities on social media are silent. I don’t think the public will accept brushing this under the carpet.

My guess is that they have been instructed not to say anything by their agent or the BBC while investigations are going on.

I saw Catherine Tyldesley's comment before it got deleted though.

Be intrigued to hear more. Sad though. Early episodes on Strictly were fun. I remember rushing home to watch.
Remember Darren and Lilia and Vincent and Flavia. They had dignity.

I got fed up when it went all weird and PC. Like lets wheel out a green coloured one legged space cadet or whatever. Sort of cringe somehow.

Not as cringe as using the term ‘PC’ or likening disabled or homosexual contestants to freaks from outer space…

Which is totally not what I was doing at all. Thanks

Fine line between inclusivity and entertaining.

Well it is isn’t it? Who else are the green one legged space cadets in that scenario?
Inclusivity and entertainment are in no way mutually exclusive either, so, no, there’s no line there, fine or otherwise.