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Why has (over) tourism become so much of an issue recently?

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CormorantStrikesBack · 16/07/2024 08:42

So protests in various areas of Spain and other places telling tourists to go home. I get some of it is about housing being used for Airbnb and locals being priced out but even in areas where they’re stopping the Airbnbs they are still saying there’s too many tourists.

in this country various areas such as Snowdonia, the Peak District, the Lakes are rammed. Can’t park anywhere, lengthy queue to touch the trig at the top of snowdon, crazy queues for cafes, etc. I used to live in Snowdonia, currently live near the Peak District and have holidayed in the Lakes for 20 years. Since Covid it’s been bonkers.

did Covid make people decide to get out and about and explore more? Where did these people who now come to uk national parks holiday before? I could understand it maybe in the early post Covid days of people were reluctant to fly but are people still nervous about going abroad? But obviously not everyone because Spain is also rammed. Is it social media encouraging people to go out and explore? I get loads of videos on my TikTok of people who have recently taken up hiking and follow the crowds to watch the sunrise on Mam Tor, never used to be a thing. Now there might be 50 plus people up there watching the sun rise.

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BungoZippy · 16/07/2024 10:17

AlpineMuesli · 16/07/2024 08:59

The entire world put bank rates to 0 for years. Printed money and threw it away. Covid loans, eat out to help out etc. Money was sloshing and there was hardly anywhere to spend it.

As soon as house viewings opened up people bought huge numbers of holiday homes, then booked holidays.

That momentum for houses has slowed down as rates went up. But the addiction to travel is still there and people are diverting discretionary spending to travel as a priority.

You can’t have headlines for years talking about death without the concept of “enjoy life before you die” penetrating subconsciously.

Social media has also made this activity performative. If a beautiful sight is hidden in a forest, is it worth going there unless you can record it, live stream it, monetise the views?

The algorithm tells us to go, so we go. And the locals just have to put up and shut up.

Well said!

AlpineMuesli · 16/07/2024 10:19

BionicBadger · 16/07/2024 09:51

I think AirBnB has a lot to answer for here. Personally I think it should be banned. If you look up properties to rent in many areas of the UK there is scarcely anything to choose from, whereas search AirBnB and you’ll find where all the rental properties have gone - masses of AirBnBs available at ridiculously elevated prices. Perhaps AirbnB itself and all those who profiteer from renting out property via AirBnB should pay additional tax to be used to counter the social ills it is causing in many cities and countries.

Agree. Airbnb for a spare room - no problem. Airbnb as a business snapping up every liveable rental in a village - big problem.
And we have politicians talking about the housing crisis.

BungoZippy · 16/07/2024 10:24

PerkyMintDeer · 16/07/2024 09:54

Some of the issues in places like Barcelona, Palma, Italian Riviera etc can be attributed to the mega cruise ships. Some of them hold 7k people (plus crew) and it’s not unusual to have 5-8 cruise ships docking on the same day, week in, week out. That’s tens of thousands of additional people, who also don’t bring a massive amount of financial benefits with them as they’ll be eating on the ships and not shopping as much as longer term tourists.

Add into that the cheap Whizz/Ryanair/Easyjet fares and the growth of AirBnB and budget hotels and you’ve got loads more tourists.

And that’s without taking into account the traditional package holidays and domestic tourism.

Locally, and domestically, another problem is the people that have bought properties to do AirBnB and other holiday lets. It’s meant that young people who have been born in these towns, and whose families have been living here for generations have been priced out of the property market and can’t stay here and raise their own families. Look at the Cotswolds, for example.

My parents live in a town which was very much full of elderly people and their families, upper middle class or working class people whose families had been here for hundreds of years.It’s a beautiful town, scenic, sleepy, close knit, beautiful walks, independent shops (locals would still visit the grocers, butchers, fishmongers, cheese shop etc), traditional events happening frequently (street parades, fetes, outdoor concerts). It wasn’t a well known place at all but really really lovely and the UK equivalent of a US Hallmark movie location.

In lockdown it got popular with tourists and day visitors. Then rich Londoners bought second properties here as they’d enjoyed their lockdown visits so much and AirBnB took off too. And then all of those people told their friends about the beautiful little town. Then the #vanlife and motorhome community descended. And it seems like every second person brings their small children who can only get around on scooters and about 5 dogs.

My parents both use walking sticks. Most of the elderly people now can’t get out to those lovely little shops anymore because, with the one Main Street and narrow pavements, it’s crammed like sardines and so many of them have been knocked over, ran into by kids on scooters or bikes on their “great British vacations” or they’ve tripped over small dogs and their leads. Every few days there’s another post on FB about how dangerous the town has got for its residents. We have a big family birthday coming up and we can’t visit any of the lovely venues we’d usually go to because it’s school holidays and that means a manic, sardine like, rushed experience that just wasn’t the case in 2019. Some local businesses have suffered as now the corporations have moved in and the tourists are going to Starbucks and Seasalt rather than the independent coffee shops and clothes boutiques and the local patrons no longer feel safe or comfortable on the Main Street. Uber drivers from bigger neighbouring towns have put the local cabbies out of business. There have been massive losses to the town in the way of business that were at least 3 generations old but whose owners feel it’s not worth it staying open anymore due to how stressful it’s got and the entitlement of tourists bringing dogs and kids in scooters in and not paying for the resulting breakages and damage that often happens, as well as having to deal with all the day drinkers and groups of bored teenagers who trash things and break shop windows for fun because their parents idea of a Famous Five Style Great British Staycation isn’t working so well.

The town just doesn’t have the infrastructure to cope with this and the quaint little town that people came to visit to peer at and admire the laid back, peacefulness of no longer exists and it’s completely down to tourists. The majority of the shops are tiny and they can’t cope with 50 people trying to get in at once so there ends up being big overspills onto the pavement and people jostling about and arguing with each other, being rude and impatient to the older people who are naturally slower physically and who might want to enjoy a quick chat with the shopkeepers they’ve known for decades, as was always perfectly acceptable to do before the tourists descended.

It’s heartbreaking that my parents and their friends don’t feel able to walk down their high street anymore and enjoy their last bit of independence in their later years but they literally can’t move once they step out the front door. Then there are all the tourists who are too cheap to pay for parking so they park on the residential streets for up to a mile away which means that the community nurses and carers and ambulances can’t find a park for love nor money which would allow them to get round their patients in time. Tourism has ruined this lovely little town and I’ve changed my own retirement plans to go back to my childhood hometown as a result.

But according to them, we’ve got to be grateful for all the money they are bringing in, eh?

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That is shocking! 😞

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mitogoshi · 16/07/2024 10:26

We tend to choose more unusual places and are welcomed with open arms. In fact anywhere that's not a Brits abroad type culture place is fine usually. Try learning their language and you'll be amazed how much different they treat you too. That said I took a cheap break to Tenerife and everyone was lovely to us however we stayed in a hotel not a residential apartment block

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/07/2024 10:29

BungoZippy · 16/07/2024 10:24

That is shocking! 😞

I read an article about a village that had been overrun by tourists

One tourist decided to park on someone’s drive. When challenged by the owner, the driver said told him not do do anything as he knew ‘where you lived and would take action’🤬

Its just gone mad since Covid. Our city centre is pretty much deserted a lot of the time. It used to be quite busy pre covid. I think everyone goes to the country now rather than city centres.

Looyr · 16/07/2024 10:29

FranklySonImTheGaffer · 16/07/2024 09:11

I think part of the problem now is that tourism doesn't generate enough money to offset the problems it causes.

2 years ago we drove through the Highlands on a Scottish road trip in the summer and were taken aback by how busy it was (we expected it to be busy but not like that).
We spoke to various tourists and so many of them talked about seeing the sights but taking a packed lunch or going back to the motor home for tea, taking flasks of coffee and cold drinks out with them etc - the theme seemed to be that everyone wanted to see the sights but no one wanted to spend in the cafes, restaurants, shops etc.

I also think social media has made people a bit ridiculous- before you'd climb a mountain because you wanted to, you'd be interested in a place so make the effort to see it etc. Now people go because some influencer told them to. They go, cause queues, take selfies and go home with no real idea why.

This, I live within the nc500 and the amount of people that will spend 10s of thousands buying and converting a van, but then sleep in passing spots 🙄 rather than paying the small fee to stay in a camping site is ridiculous.
combined with rubbish and human waste being dumped, the benefits aren’t outweighing the negatives.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/07/2024 10:33

Looyr · 16/07/2024 10:29

This, I live within the nc500 and the amount of people that will spend 10s of thousands buying and converting a van, but then sleep in passing spots 🙄 rather than paying the small fee to stay in a camping site is ridiculous.
combined with rubbish and human waste being dumped, the benefits aren’t outweighing the negatives.

Yeah people are crapping everywhere near me too.

I think they repealed some law in lockdown to allow camper vans to park overnight. And now it’s everywhere.

Barbeque crap left at side of a local reservoir. Shit in the moorlands and edges of the roads hidden in long grass.

PregnantWithHorrors · 16/07/2024 10:35

MorrisZapp · 16/07/2024 08:51

Yip, everywhere is busy. I was on the train the other week, off on a short uk city break. There were countless people with multiple huge suitcases, where are they all going?? And how is everyone funding this?

I live in Edinburgh and nowhere is quiet. Huge events add major disruption. At least I don't have a small kid any more, the horror of seething day trips is well in the rear view now.

Lots of people have disposable income, and they either prioritise travel or don't need to in order to be able to do it. And of course you don't see all the people who aren't.

PerkyMintDeer · 16/07/2024 10:38

Looyr · 16/07/2024 10:29

This, I live within the nc500 and the amount of people that will spend 10s of thousands buying and converting a van, but then sleep in passing spots 🙄 rather than paying the small fee to stay in a camping site is ridiculous.
combined with rubbish and human waste being dumped, the benefits aren’t outweighing the negatives.

On the FB Community page of my parents town, a motorhome owner was mouthing off about the extortionate cost of overnight parking for motorhome and how he’d been priced out of visiting as a result and would now be visiting another town that was only £5 per night, instead of £12 per 48 hours!!!!!

”And THAT town has the added benefit of a Morrisons Cafe where I can get a first rate full English breakfast for £6 instead of having to pay YOUR cafes ridiculous prices!!!!!”

Oh…jog on, mate!

thefireplace · 16/07/2024 10:40

MrHarleyQuin · 16/07/2024 09:04

I also can't see how locals don't benefit from the hundreds of pounds we spend in independently owned restaurants, cafés and shops. I live near the North Downs way and shops and businesses are kept going by walkers and other visitors coming at the weekend. The more the merrier.

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This money goes into the pockets of the business, the staff get paid a pittance, NMW and part time, they then claim working top up benefits, paid for by your taxes....

The Pub nr me does a roaring trade in the spring/summer/autumn, the landlord used the income generated to buy a property in the Algarve, he also owns a few airbnb's... the staff are on zero hours, NMW.

Any benefits are wiped out by the negatives.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/07/2024 10:40

I’m as guilty as the next person.

But think it just needs policing more. So turning people back if places are full. Ticketing illegally parked cars. Preventing Air BNB.On the spot fines for littering or abusing places.

Like a Tourism police😁

SleepingStandingUp · 16/07/2024 10:42

Everyone is venturing back out post COVID, but people still want the peace of COVID where they live. Everyone wants to be a tourist, but not to be touristed by others.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 16/07/2024 10:44

I agree with the PP who mentioned the increase in cruise passengers causing issues in the Med. Santorini had 10,000 cruise ship passengers a DAY visit during peak season, I believe they want to now limit arrivals to 8,000.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/07/2024 10:45

SleepingStandingUp · 16/07/2024 10:42

Everyone is venturing back out post COVID, but people still want the peace of COVID where they live. Everyone wants to be a tourist, but not to be touristed by others.

I don’t think people want to go back to Covid times.That would be impossible.

But pre covid would be doable.

Badbadbunny · 16/07/2024 10:46

MrHarleyQuin · 16/07/2024 09:04

I also can't see how locals don't benefit from the hundreds of pounds we spend in independently owned restaurants, cafés and shops. I live near the North Downs way and shops and businesses are kept going by walkers and other visitors coming at the weekend. The more the merrier.

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A lot of those places aren't "independently" owned at all. Lots of small pubs, shops, restaurants, and even air BNBs are owned by million/billionaires, often foreign, who just keep the illusion of being locally/independently owned, but are in fact managed by local agents/managers and with part time staff on minimum wage. Moreso in the most popular tourist "honeytraps".

I'm an accountant and have clients in the Lake District, typically cafes, shops, B&Bs, holiday lets, camp sites, etc. One of my clients has sold sold their detached building which they converted into 5 self contained holiday lettings - the buyer is a foreign trust and my client has no idea who they are - all dealings have been through some kind of management agency firm. They actually asked my clients if they'd stay on to manage it, i.e. meet & greet, cleaning, housekeeping, maintenance etc as the owners had no interest and just wanted a long term investment.

Similar happened with a village pub - clients sold it to one of the major chains who wanted to keep their ownership secret, they put a management couple in who make out that they own it, but they're just salaried managers, not even traditional tenants. The chain havn't even put their own beers in - leaving the illusion of it being properly independent and it never appears on their website listings directories.

Badbadbunny · 16/07/2024 10:49

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/07/2024 10:40

I’m as guilty as the next person.

But think it just needs policing more. So turning people back if places are full. Ticketing illegally parked cars. Preventing Air BNB.On the spot fines for littering or abusing places.

Like a Tourism police😁

Sounds crazy, but lots of foreign places do have specialist tourism police, in the same way that lots of countries like the UK have separate traffic police. Makes perfect sense to have a police force who specialise in tourist related issues, such as supervising large bodies of people, traffic control, pickpocketing, lost/stolen travel documents/money, and all the other crimes/issues typical of a tourist location.

PregnantWithHorrors · 16/07/2024 10:50

EasterlyDirections · 16/07/2024 09:47

I think that is somewhat fuelled by online sneeriness about package or beach holidays, you see it so often on here, "oh I wouldn't go on holiday just to laze around the pool, we explore the towns and culture". Now people feel guilty if they have a lazy beach holiday and the sights are rammed.

Yep!

It comes up on here sometimes that people who have a more explorey, eat in lots of different places type holiday feel they're better supporting the local economy than people who go to a resort and spend most of their time there. But this is the flipside. While some locals want people out there spending money in lots of places, others find them an inconvenience and would rather they stayed out of the way.

Blahahahah · 16/07/2024 10:51

FranklySonImTheGaffer · 16/07/2024 09:11

I think part of the problem now is that tourism doesn't generate enough money to offset the problems it causes.

2 years ago we drove through the Highlands on a Scottish road trip in the summer and were taken aback by how busy it was (we expected it to be busy but not like that).
We spoke to various tourists and so many of them talked about seeing the sights but taking a packed lunch or going back to the motor home for tea, taking flasks of coffee and cold drinks out with them etc - the theme seemed to be that everyone wanted to see the sights but no one wanted to spend in the cafes, restaurants, shops etc.

I also think social media has made people a bit ridiculous- before you'd climb a mountain because you wanted to, you'd be interested in a place so make the effort to see it etc. Now people go because some influencer told them to. They go, cause queues, take selfies and go home with no real idea why.

So true, people used to just walk up Snowdon and not care who was in the background of a photo when you took it of yourself at the top...now people are horrible about you 'spoiling their moment/shot' which is causing ridiculous queues to get to the top.

Badbadbunny · 16/07/2024 11:00

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 16/07/2024 09:14

I think there should be better regulation of things like AirBnB to reduce the impact on property prices and to maintain some overall planning around numbers, and there should be more tourism taxes to ensure that the tourists are directly benefiting local communities.

I think all short term accommodation like airBNB and holiday cottages should be licensed by the local authorities and be properly regulated. Far too many councils turn a blind eye and still provide "services" such as waste collection even though the properties are commercial and not domestic and not paying council tax, and "one off" holiday cottages don't even pay business rates due to the small business exemption. They benefit from that, but then during covid, they registered for businesses rates so they could claim covid grants - councils went along with it and didn't even back date business rates bills!

We've stayed in a lot of holiday homes and a lot of owners are providing the bare minimum at huge cost to the holidaymaker - they're just using them as cash machines for themselves. Often not even complying with the regulations such as no fire alarms, not even a fire blanket in the kitchen, no keys for back doors (so no alternative escape route other than the front door), windows that are locked/painted shut and can't be opened, etc. If councils were given powers to regulate, and to charge fees, the fees raised could be used to pay for regular inspections.

Some councils have also some ridiculous planning regulations. One of my clients bought a derelict farm, barn etc with the intention of converting them into 1/2 bed small housing courtyard. His intention was residential, but the council refused planning permission and after protracted discussions with them, they said they'd only give PP for holiday homes where only short stays would be allowed. This was in the Lake District where locals are crying out for affordable homes and that's what our client was hoping to provide. Ironic it was the council who prohibited that so my client was forced to build short term holiday homes instead! Then the councillors are constantly in the local media saying how they want homes for local people!

Teabag37 · 16/07/2024 11:02

I live in Florence, Italy & have never see anything like the amount of tourists this past year, always been pretty busy but there's a relatively new thing of group tours that have taken over bars/restaurants & we locals have nowhere left to go as they are crammed back to back (& don't get me going on the bloody wine windows) there's a foto booth at the end of my road & there are queues of people standing in the middle of the road taking foto's of them having their foto taken ....insanity !

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 16/07/2024 11:07

I think something people are forgetting is also just that the world's population has exploded. Which means more tourists. Let's say that in any population group, at any point in time, even just 1/1000 people (or even 1/5000) are travelling, that 1/1000 is a lot more people today than it was 20 years ago. And these tourist villages and sights etc are not designed for these sort of numbers.

Which then has multiple knock on effects - eg air bnb, lack of infrastructure etc.

The point someone made upthread about, for example, massive cruise ships is a great example - 20 years ago, there weren't enough people who wanted to cruise for such big ships. Now it's standard.

Add to this, statistically, a decent chunk of any tourist population are wankers. This has always been the case. But again, if you've gone from 1000 tourists to 10000 tourists, even if the percentage of wankers is the same, that's a lot more wankers.

whatsappdoc · 16/07/2024 11:08

I live in a seaside town. The money that tourists spend doesn't benefit the general population. A tourist tax eg 5% on holiday accommodation could be used towards the extra cost that tourists incur for roads, medical care, policing, refuse collecting etc.

In defence of tourists it means our cafes, pubs and other amenities can afford to stay open during the winter months, not sure if that is true of everywhere but certainly where I live.

JamSandle · 16/07/2024 11:10

I think it may be partly due to do with the fact people put their lives on hold during lockdown.

Now that things are open again people are travelling and doing what they can.

There's a sense that the world is doomed from climate change and its not reversible so I feel its people doing as much as they can and milking the opportunities until they're gone.

I'm not judging. I love travelling and exploring too.

PregnantWithHorrors · 16/07/2024 11:11

Spain does have a tourist tax already, but I couldn't find anything to say it was going to local people. I don't mind paying, but they should have more of a say in where it goes. Or bung 5 euros on per visiting family to go towards social housing or something.

JohnofWessex · 16/07/2024 11:21

There have been all manner of technological (AirBnB the internet bigger cruise ships etc) and social changes that have driven an increase in Tourism.

What if course is now happening is that once one community started saying 'Enough' the message is spreading to others who are also saying the same.