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Why has (over) tourism become so much of an issue recently?

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CormorantStrikesBack · 16/07/2024 08:42

So protests in various areas of Spain and other places telling tourists to go home. I get some of it is about housing being used for Airbnb and locals being priced out but even in areas where they’re stopping the Airbnbs they are still saying there’s too many tourists.

in this country various areas such as Snowdonia, the Peak District, the Lakes are rammed. Can’t park anywhere, lengthy queue to touch the trig at the top of snowdon, crazy queues for cafes, etc. I used to live in Snowdonia, currently live near the Peak District and have holidayed in the Lakes for 20 years. Since Covid it’s been bonkers.

did Covid make people decide to get out and about and explore more? Where did these people who now come to uk national parks holiday before? I could understand it maybe in the early post Covid days of people were reluctant to fly but are people still nervous about going abroad? But obviously not everyone because Spain is also rammed. Is it social media encouraging people to go out and explore? I get loads of videos on my TikTok of people who have recently taken up hiking and follow the crowds to watch the sunrise on Mam Tor, never used to be a thing. Now there might be 50 plus people up there watching the sun rise.

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WindsurfingDreams · 16/07/2024 09:14

CormorantStrikesBack · 16/07/2024 08:59

Yes I went to north York moors last year rather than the Lakes as I couldn’t stand the thought of the Lakes and the crowds. I’ve always stayed in borrowdale so away from Ambleside, Windermere, etc and even borrowdale is rammed. I’m a keen hill walker (was I’m a bit injured now) but even on the fells it seems like there are popular fells which people flock to and ignore the equally nice one by the side.

Yes my family have had a cottage in the lake District for over 100 years but you rarely see a single walker in the little pocket it is situated in, even now! in a way I think it is good that some places have remained untouched

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 16/07/2024 09:14

I think there should be better regulation of things like AirBnB to reduce the impact on property prices and to maintain some overall planning around numbers, and there should be more tourism taxes to ensure that the tourists are directly benefiting local communities.

alloalloallo · 16/07/2024 09:15

I live in a touristy area and it feels like Covid tipped the balance.

We’ve always been a tourist area but everything rubbed along nicely together - holiday lets/second homes/hotels/b&bs/etc were all quite balanced, then Covid and rise of Air B&B and everything changed.

Now we have hundreds of families living in unsuitable B&Bs and we can’t recruit teachers, doctors, hospital staff, social workers, etc as there are virtually no long term rentals available.

Employment is really mostly short term, seasonal, zero hour contracts for minimum wage, house prices have massively increased so no one in those minimum wage jobs can afford to live here, things like our hospital capacity is based on number of residents - which doubles in the summer.

I love the summer here and the buzz and busyness that tourism brings, god knows our local economy needs a good summer season and we’re all well used to adding extra time to journeys and booking restaurant tables well in advance, but it’s gone to the other extreme now.

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ViciousCurrentBun · 16/07/2024 09:17

My mate used to rent out her very old stone cottage, she inherited it. Had the same tenant for about 8 years. They gave notice and due to changes in rental legislation for landlords she now rents it out as an air bnb, its the law of unintended consequences. She’s didn’t want to risk her property if she got a bad tenant. It’s the same with new employment laws proposed, I mean I was a trade union rep for years so not anti but there will be some unintended consequences.

ricecrispiecakes · 16/07/2024 09:19

Because a select few have ruined it for everyone.

I live in Cumbria - just outside the park but drive into it fairly regularly and the traffic is just ridiculous. People block fields, park in passing spaces, can't/won't reverse on narrow lanes, leave rubbish everywhere and do totally inappropriate walks in totally inappropriate weather/clothing and call the mountain rescue out to save them. Holiday cottages and rentals have also caused a real issue with the housing market and it often means locals can't buy homes anymore.

Luckily where I live it's still very quiet and isolated but I suspect it's only a matter of time 😔

Meadowfinch · 16/07/2024 09:20

It isn't only the numbers, it's the dreadful ignorant behaviour of tourists.

The litter and human waste left on mountains, the total lack of respect for the environments they visit, the horrible behaviour of British tourists abroad, endless drunkenness, horrible stag & hen parties, inappropriate dress, aggressive driving etc.

frozendaisy · 16/07/2024 09:25

It's not tourism as it could be, it's the bam photo move on, bam photo move on.

Airbnb's don't come with the local employment a hotel does.

You can pack god knows how many in an Airbnb, in places that can't take the numbers.

No one is stopping to look, take time, contribute to the local economy.

It's mindless drivel tourism which is the issue.

Last summer we went to a city that accommodates cruise ships. We stayed a few nights but saw groups of people from cruises walking, photos, walking, photos, back to ship for lunch, not even stopping to buy a fridge magnet. They missed so much. So much.

We were welcomed. Spoke some language, got recommendations for smaller places to visit. There was an obvious coolness and impatience with the cruise crowds.

A lot of countries, China for one, now have a much larger "middle class" population whom can afford to travel. Which should be great. It's how it's done.

cloudy477654 · 16/07/2024 09:25

I'm in north wales. We do welcome tourists because it's a large part of the economy. But I think in the last few years, probably worse since covid - behaviour of (some) tourists has got worse, like wild camping on farmland and leaving litter, leaving disposable barbecues all over the beaches, parking dangerously instead of paying for car parks or park & ride. Just generally not being respectful of the area and people who actually live here.
There is also the problem of air BnB which is definitely a problem because cheaper houses coming up for sale are being bought and turned into airBnBs when there's a local housing shortage, of course local people are going to be resentful.
Lots of places like Snowdon are just crazy busy over the summer holidays too, so local people feel like we can't go to the most popular places in August because they're too busy.
Around us an increase in stag dos too which have the worst behaviour and campsites etc are having to start banning large single sex groups.

thefireplace · 16/07/2024 09:25

AstonMartha · 16/07/2024 08:53

I live in Cornwall, it’s always been like this where I am. I don’t dislike it although it definitely means that we have adjust in the summer by giving ourselves more time to travel, shopping elsewhere for a few months (although I feel for the poor soggy campers right now).

Tourism is good for Cornwall at least.

I beg to disagree.

Tourism stops national manufacturers investing as highly qualified local young people move away, many of those that are left are stuck in low paid part time work, reliant on benefits to pay rents.

Look at the long list of national companies that have moved into Exeter? then compare with Cornwall.

Sure Tourism doesn't particularly affect people who have sold in the SE and moved to Cornwall, they will have plenty of money to live on, our village has lots of early retirees from more wealthier areas of the UK, many have then used spare cash to buy a little cottage and airbnb it.

Pre CV, the village had a handful of B&Bs, its now got plenty of holiday cottages, Shepherd huts and even boats turned into airbnb's... locals really struggle as those evicted to make way for yet another holiday rent cannot find anywhere long term to rent.

AlpineMuesli · 16/07/2024 09:28

There are queues on Everest.

StevieChicks · 16/07/2024 09:29

I agree that the nature of tourism has changed. It used to be fuelled by the need to relax, now it's all 'experiences'. But it's not real experiences. It's cosplaying.
Plus I agree that it's the apps too. I am guilty of getting bored and scrolling on booking.com

romdowa · 16/07/2024 09:33

I live in a tourist town in Ireland and it's torture. They come off the cruise ships mainly , you could have 5/6 buses full 4/5 days a week . These buses just stop in the middle of our small roads and just let the tourists off, who then just walk in the middle of roads and look at shops , spending very little , then create more disruption getting back on the coaches. It's an absolute headache all summer long. Air bnb isn't actually a huge problem here , its actually houses just being left empty for 90% of the year. The rich buy up homes , visit twice a year and then bugger off.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/07/2024 09:35

I live near the Peaks. It’s been bonkers since Covid. Everywhere is rammed all the time. It never ever used to be like this.

Roads which were deserted now have loads of cars parked on them. Stanedge edge is now like an adventure park.

8 years ago we went to Castleton on New Years Day. Everywhere was closed. Went this year, gave up and came home. I don’t know what’s happened. We’ve stopped going anywhere. When the Northwrn Lights were happening there was a solid traffic jam round Mam Tor at midnight.

1dayatatime · 16/07/2024 09:45

@AstonMartha

"Tourism is good for Cornwall at least"

Is it though? Tourism contributes 12% of Cornwall's GDP compared to UK average of 10%. Yet the downsides are significant such as Airbnb and second homes turning the likes of St Ives and Padstow into little more than theme parks. Tourism jobs are also seasonal and low paid leading to insecurity and lack of stability for locals to settle down and plan their lives.

The main contribution to Cornwall"s GDP is agriculture and food industry.

The Airbnb and second homes also make housing completely unaffordable for locals. This combined with a lack of well paid jobs has caused an exodus of educated and skilled workers.

Tourism then negatively impacts other sectors through congestion, lack of skilled workers and nimbyism creating a negative downward spiral.

AzureAnt · 16/07/2024 09:45

All these posters who complain about how busy it is when they go to the Lakes, the peak district Snowdonia etc, aren't you part of the problem? 🤣🤣

EasterlyDirections · 16/07/2024 09:47

StevieChicks · 16/07/2024 09:29

I agree that the nature of tourism has changed. It used to be fuelled by the need to relax, now it's all 'experiences'. But it's not real experiences. It's cosplaying.
Plus I agree that it's the apps too. I am guilty of getting bored and scrolling on booking.com

I think that is somewhat fuelled by online sneeriness about package or beach holidays, you see it so often on here, "oh I wouldn't go on holiday just to laze around the pool, we explore the towns and culture". Now people feel guilty if they have a lazy beach holiday and the sights are rammed.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/07/2024 09:48

AzureAnt · 16/07/2024 09:45

All these posters who complain about how busy it is when they go to the Lakes, the peak district Snowdonia etc, aren't you part of the problem? 🤣🤣

We’ve stopped going though. It’s hideous. Especially at weekends.

We might go mid week.

Stanedge edge near me has loads of illegally parked cars, barbecues everywhere and people queueing up to hanglide off the edge. Loads of wild camping and camper vans.

It was reasonably quiet pre covid. Just walkers and climbers

BakeOffRewatch · 16/07/2024 09:50

Haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but I think it’s the cost of living crisis rather than post COVID. People who would have done 2-3 big holidays a year, now doing multiple short trips in UK. That’s what I hear from people in real life. And because of COL it’s more self catering, caravan, than using hospitality so maybe the benefits of tourism to an area is less felt.

BionicBadger · 16/07/2024 09:51

I think AirBnB has a lot to answer for here. Personally I think it should be banned. If you look up properties to rent in many areas of the UK there is scarcely anything to choose from, whereas search AirBnB and you’ll find where all the rental properties have gone - masses of AirBnBs available at ridiculously elevated prices. Perhaps AirbnB itself and all those who profiteer from renting out property via AirBnB should pay additional tax to be used to counter the social ills it is causing in many cities and countries.

PerkyMintDeer · 16/07/2024 09:54

Some of the issues in places like Barcelona, Palma, Italian Riviera etc can be attributed to the mega cruise ships. Some of them hold 7k people (plus crew) and it’s not unusual to have 5-8 cruise ships docking on the same day, week in, week out. That’s tens of thousands of additional people, who also don’t bring a massive amount of financial benefits with them as they’ll be eating on the ships and not shopping as much as longer term tourists.

Add into that the cheap Whizz/Ryanair/Easyjet fares and the growth of AirBnB and budget hotels and you’ve got loads more tourists.

And that’s without taking into account the traditional package holidays and domestic tourism.

Locally, and domestically, another problem is the people that have bought properties to do AirBnB and other holiday lets. It’s meant that young people who have been born in these towns, and whose families have been living here for generations have been priced out of the property market and can’t stay here and raise their own families. Look at the Cotswolds, for example.

My parents live in a town which was very much full of elderly people and their families, upper middle class or working class people whose families had been here for hundreds of years.It’s a beautiful town, scenic, sleepy, close knit, beautiful walks, independent shops (locals would still visit the grocers, butchers, fishmongers, cheese shop etc), traditional events happening frequently (street parades, fetes, outdoor concerts). It wasn’t a well known place at all but really really lovely and the UK equivalent of a US Hallmark movie location.

In lockdown it got popular with tourists and day visitors. Then rich Londoners bought second properties here as they’d enjoyed their lockdown visits so much and AirBnB took off too. And then all of those people told their friends about the beautiful little town. Then the #vanlife and motorhome community descended. And it seems like every second person brings their small children who can only get around on scooters and about 5 dogs.

My parents both use walking sticks. Most of the elderly people now can’t get out to those lovely little shops anymore because, with the one Main Street and narrow pavements, it’s crammed like sardines and so many of them have been knocked over, ran into by kids on scooters or bikes on their “great British vacations” or they’ve tripped over small dogs and their leads. Every few days there’s another post on FB about how dangerous the town has got for its residents. We have a big family birthday coming up and we can’t visit any of the lovely venues we’d usually go to because it’s school holidays and that means a manic, sardine like, rushed experience that just wasn’t the case in 2019. Some local businesses have suffered as now the corporations have moved in and the tourists are going to Starbucks and Seasalt rather than the independent coffee shops and clothes boutiques and the local patrons no longer feel safe or comfortable on the Main Street. Uber drivers from bigger neighbouring towns have put the local cabbies out of business. There have been massive losses to the town in the way of business that were at least 3 generations old but whose owners feel it’s not worth it staying open anymore due to how stressful it’s got and the entitlement of tourists bringing dogs and kids in scooters in and not paying for the resulting breakages and damage that often happens, as well as having to deal with all the day drinkers and groups of bored teenagers who trash things and break shop windows for fun because their parents idea of a Famous Five Style Great British Staycation isn’t working so well.

The town just doesn’t have the infrastructure to cope with this and the quaint little town that people came to visit to peer at and admire the laid back, peacefulness of no longer exists and it’s completely down to tourists. The majority of the shops are tiny and they can’t cope with 50 people trying to get in at once so there ends up being big overspills onto the pavement and people jostling about and arguing with each other, being rude and impatient to the older people who are naturally slower physically and who might want to enjoy a quick chat with the shopkeepers they’ve known for decades, as was always perfectly acceptable to do before the tourists descended.

It’s heartbreaking that my parents and their friends don’t feel able to walk down their high street anymore and enjoy their last bit of independence in their later years but they literally can’t move once they step out the front door. Then there are all the tourists who are too cheap to pay for parking so they park on the residential streets for up to a mile away which means that the community nurses and carers and ambulances can’t find a park for love nor money which would allow them to get round their patients in time. Tourism has ruined this lovely little town and I’ve changed my own retirement plans to go back to my childhood hometown as a result.

But according to them, we’ve got to be grateful for all the money they are bringing in, eh?

godmum56 · 16/07/2024 09:57

AlpineMuesli · 16/07/2024 09:28

There are queues on Everest.

yup, also a waiting list and has been like this for many years.

cupcaske123 · 16/07/2024 09:59

Haven't outsiders always bought up local housing and out priced locals? This has been a problem for decades.

From the sounds of it, it's because tourism is badly managed. Having streams of people trampling all over beauty spots is bad for wildlife and the environment.

Doesn't Venice now limit tourists as they were causing so much damage? Perhaps the UK government needs to work on promoting less visited places in order to more evenly distribute people and local government needs to attract more investment to the area so that they aren't so reliant on tourism.

Poggishairtufts · 16/07/2024 10:00

I think the 'main character behaviour' so many people have now plays a part. This includes those with a heavy interest in social media taking photos and getting in the way when you're trying to get around somewhere, or even trying to be a good tourist elsewhere.

Stay in a hotel/hostel rather than airbnb
Use local businesses and shop in non chain shops where possible
Be respectful of those who live and work where you're visiting
Take your rubbish with you (particularly apt for countryside and beaches)

godmum56 · 16/07/2024 10:03

its not new. some 20 years ago the Lake District entry roads used to have to be closed in high summer. We holidayed up there a few times, in autumn not school holidays and couldn't park in local towns to get food shopping. Dh would drop me off and go for a circular drive while I dived into any shop I could find.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/07/2024 10:07

godmum56 · 16/07/2024 10:03

its not new. some 20 years ago the Lake District entry roads used to have to be closed in high summer. We holidayed up there a few times, in autumn not school holidays and couldn't park in local towns to get food shopping. Dh would drop me off and go for a circular drive while I dived into any shop I could find.

It’s new at this level though.

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