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I would just like to say: I'm Scottish and I'll be rooting for England tonight...

118 replies

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 14/07/2024 17:26

That's all :)

OP posts:
GrandTheftWalrus · 15/07/2024 00:35

Itstherichthatgetthepleasureasusual · 15/07/2024 00:00

Well you see you say in your post the "English" media. But the UK is actually made up of 4 nations : England. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So the media in the UK theoretically generally is meant to cover the whole of the UK but it always assumes everyone is an England supporter. It assumes everyone in eg Scotland must be ecstatic about an England win as though we don't have national representation of our own.

I had to turn off the Today programme after England's win in the semi final because of the way the presenters were banging on about the win - as though all their listeners were English and sharing their ecstasy. Their remit is actually to broadcast to all the UK , not just England. And to be honest they were so ott you'd have thought England had won the tournament already.

Yes of course English sports fans have a right to celebrate their sporting achievements but it's the way we get it rammed down our throats whether we like it or not.

Btw it's a standing joke here that Andy Murray was always a Scottish sportsman when he lost but suddenly became British when he won.

Nail. Head.

TimeandMotion · 15/07/2024 00:38

Itstherichthatgetthepleasureasusual · 15/07/2024 00:00

Well you see you say in your post the "English" media. But the UK is actually made up of 4 nations : England. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So the media in the UK theoretically generally is meant to cover the whole of the UK but it always assumes everyone is an England supporter. It assumes everyone in eg Scotland must be ecstatic about an England win as though we don't have national representation of our own.

I had to turn off the Today programme after England's win in the semi final because of the way the presenters were banging on about the win - as though all their listeners were English and sharing their ecstasy. Their remit is actually to broadcast to all the UK , not just England. And to be honest they were so ott you'd have thought England had won the tournament already.

Yes of course English sports fans have a right to celebrate their sporting achievements but it's the way we get it rammed down our throats whether we like it or not.

Btw it's a standing joke here that Andy Murray was always a Scottish sportsman when he lost but suddenly became British when he won.

I thought long and hard about whether to say “English media” or “British media “ in that post actually.

The four main UK broadsheet newspapers (Guardian, Times, Independent, Telegraph) are all based in England. Scotland has two broadsheets of its own, the Scotsman and the Herald, so it’s a reasonable assumption that they will assume the role of speaking on behalf of the people of Scotland. Not to mention the Daily Record of course. England doesn’t have any solely English national newspapers.

As for the BBC, why would they pander to the minority of British people who find it impossible to be happy for their fellow countries in the Union? Why is it so bad to work in the basis that we like and care about each other? It’s not a party political broadcast where all views have to be presented. Do you also object to the media supporting Team GB at the olympics?

I’m pretty sure that both the BBC and the national papers were pro-Scotland when Scotland were still in. If there had been a Scotland-England tie then they’d have had to be balanced but I don’t see anything wrong in taking a pro-England stance after Scotland were knocked out.

tuvamoodyson · 15/07/2024 06:05

Tumblingjungleofchaos · 15/07/2024 00:07

You do realise that Scotland pay more into the Exchequer coffers than they get back?
You've been living off North Sea Oil money for years which is why everyone at Westminster was so desperate to stop independence.

I’m desperate to stop independence! Anyway…the football, good to see a UK team get through, they done their best and that’s all you can ask for.

Seymour5 · 15/07/2024 06:53

TimeandMotion · 14/07/2024 22:15

Pretty pathetic of this coming on here to gloat when OP started a nice thread.

I’m Scottish and always support England unless playing against Scotland. I am particularly unimpressed by Scots who live in England (as I do) and still embrace the “anyone but England” mentality. Grow up or go home.

Sorry England lost.

Sums it up perfectly for me as a Scot living in England.

Dearg · 15/07/2024 07:45

I am sorry England lost. Really thought they could do it, and would have been a great mood lifter. Even here in Scotland, those who love to hate England could just hate a little harder.

Take pride that you got there England, you didn’t have the smoothest of roads .

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Chickenwing2 · 15/07/2024 08:46

I don't hate the English but I absolutely wouldn't support them in sport- they are Scotlands rivals!

Willoo · 15/07/2024 08:49

I’m Scottish and I’m delighted with the result.

CandiedPrincess · 15/07/2024 08:50

Chickenwing2 · 15/07/2024 08:46

I don't hate the English but I absolutely wouldn't support them in sport- they are Scotlands rivals!

But that's true of all teams. If it had been a Spain-Netherlands final I would have still supported a team, but they're also our rivals.

I saw loads of Scottish people on FB changing their profile pictures to the Spain flag. I just thought what sort of bellend has the time or energy to do that.

TimeandMotion · 15/07/2024 08:59

Chickenwing2 · 15/07/2024 08:46

I don't hate the English but I absolutely wouldn't support them in sport- they are Scotlands rivals!

Really? I’ve never considered Scotland and England to be in the same league when it comes to national-team football. It’s not really surprising when you consider how many fewer players Scotland has to choose from, being dwarfed in terms of population.

Or are you saying that you consider Scotland and England to be “rivals” in other fields such as politics?

Skinglow · 15/07/2024 09:08

I haven't read post after post on here saying they hope Scotland lose. So the 'rivalry' seems a little one sided.

Marchitectmummy · 15/07/2024 09:21

Chickenwing2 · 14/07/2024 22:07

I would just like to say... I'm Scottish and I'm delighted Spain won. Wooooohooooo!!!

As a genuine question why?

tuvamoodyson · 15/07/2024 09:21

Chickenwing2 · 15/07/2024 08:46

I don't hate the English but I absolutely wouldn't support them in sport- they are Scotlands rivals!

Any team who plays against you is your rival!

Marchitectmummy · 15/07/2024 09:42

Rainbowsponge · 14/07/2024 22:22

Scotland can go back to begging money and complaining lol

Adding a lol doesn't make it funny nor make others find it funny either. Nasty comment on a thread like this.

Chickenwing2 · 15/07/2024 09:45

@tuvamoodyson No, not in the same way. For example Rangers vs Celtic are rivals. Hearts vs Hibs are rivals. It is different when these teams play each other. It is the same with England and Scotland - they are direct rivals. There isn't the same feeling if it was any other country. I would never support England in the same way a Celtic fan would never support Rangers.

TimeandMotion · 15/07/2024 10:50

Chickenwing2 · 15/07/2024 09:45

@tuvamoodyson No, not in the same way. For example Rangers vs Celtic are rivals. Hearts vs Hibs are rivals. It is different when these teams play each other. It is the same with England and Scotland - they are direct rivals. There isn't the same feeling if it was any other country. I would never support England in the same way a Celtic fan would never support Rangers.

Last I looked there was no bitter sectarian basis to Scotland v England.

Sectarianism in Scotland engenders some truly vile behaviours and attitudes and dressing them up as “sporting rivalry” is a way to sneak them into popular culture under the radar. I would not be proud to compare anything to Rangers v Celtic.

OKherewegoagain · 15/07/2024 11:13

Rainbowsponge · 14/07/2024 22:22

Scotland can go back to begging money and complaining lol

And the most stupid comment of the thread goes to ........

wowzw · 15/07/2024 11:42

removed a couple of (old work friend, not seen for years) scottish facebook friends yesterday. They were putting up Spain flags as profile photos and openly gloating at Englands loss. They've been putting up their thinly veiled England hate for years. Realised I didn't need to see it anymore! 🤣

KohlaParasaurus · 15/07/2024 19:37

The better team won. I would have said the same if England had been Scotland.

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