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Reality of life in UK under current government

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Melisha · 03/07/2024 13:26

I think people need reminding of what life is currently like in the UK and did not used to be the case.

  1. Potholes galore. Every time I drive I am trying to avoid potholes.
  2. Our local river keeps getting sewage discharged into it.
  3. Our local beach is no longer safe to swim in because of sewage.
  4. We have more street homelessness than I have ever seen in my life time, and I am old.
  5. More local food banks than ever before.
  6. More litter and less street sweeping.
  7. Much longer queues at A and E and queues of ambulances outside.
  8. Long waits for operations. I have been waiting 16 months for a gallbladder operation.
  9. Shoplifting way up. I live in a well off area and yet have seen people blatantly shoplifting in front of staff. I never saw this ever until a year ago.
  10. Rape practically legal as conviction rate is tiny.

Please add your own.

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GrandesRandonnees · 03/07/2024 15:50

I’d not vote Tory ever anyway, but when people like me (earn a few hundred over the English average salary but low outgoings and no kids) start really noticing the rise in supermarket prices and adjust their purchases accordingly, things are not in a good place. Until recently I could absorb the price increases but a few times recently I’ve thought “how much??” and not bought the product. Energy prices are coming down (although still high) yet the cost of the weekly shop just goes up and up. Who’s profiting/profiteering?

Despair132 · 03/07/2024 15:55

solsticelove · 03/07/2024 15:34

But it’s not a huge number. Illegal immigrants make up a tiny number of the population. Desperate people risking their lives in small boats is not your issue.

And regular ‘controlled’ immigration helps our economy. It plugs gaps in the workforce and aids the economy.

You want to focus your dissatisfaction at the Tory government and the huge number of austerity cuts that have meant we now have a situation where too many children/families are living in poverty, the cost of living is disproportionate to income, underfunded schools and NHS are the norm. Immigration is a smoke screen designed to gain votes and distract you from the real problem in our society.

I don’t care I’m healthy. Doesn’t affect me not being able to get appointments i just enjoy watching people moan about it when everyone can see clear of day what the cause is.

cantstandtheplace · 03/07/2024 15:56

Broken social care system which is having a devastating knock- on effect on NHS.

Lack of preventative measures to improve health in population as this would negatively affect donors. Our population is obese due to massive junk food consumption and lack of accessible exercise opportunities. Ditto excess alcohol consumption. Sunak's plan to end smoking was a good idea but soon shelved.

Dreadful public transport system, particularly trains.

Knee jerk responses to various crises as they occur rather than forward planning.

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:00

LoveSandbanks · 03/07/2024 15:50

What is this “free for all” that you talk about. It’s a myth. There isn’t a free for all on immigration at all. Quite the opposite!

How do you think the U.K.’s infrastructure handles over 600,000 legal and illegal Immigrants coming in our country every year?
we’ve only been building 250,000 houses a year, the more we have in the more people we need to service these people, it’s a never ending whirlwind, 10,000,000 rise in population in the last 15-20 years, how is this sustainable and at what cost

Miley1967 · 03/07/2024 16:03

I've seen people regularly just walk out of our local tesco's with bags of food they haven't paid for. Obviously I don't know if they are genuinely hungry or just doing it as they can get away with it. Always bags of meat.

Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:03

@Unphased a lot of legal migration are highly skilled people and international students. Many of our universities would have collapsed with international student fees. And the economy benefits from highly skilled people.
And this is what I mean when I say most people have no understanding of the economy.

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Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:05

Miley1967 · 03/07/2024 16:03

I've seen people regularly just walk out of our local tesco's with bags of food they haven't paid for. Obviously I don't know if they are genuinely hungry or just doing it as they can get away with it. Always bags of meat.

It is to sell. The difference is that the police now do nothing. Small scale shoplifting has effectively been decriminalised. Just like rape.

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Alwaystired94 · 03/07/2024 16:06

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:00

How do you think the U.K.’s infrastructure handles over 600,000 legal and illegal Immigrants coming in our country every year?
we’ve only been building 250,000 houses a year, the more we have in the more people we need to service these people, it’s a never ending whirlwind, 10,000,000 rise in population in the last 15-20 years, how is this sustainable and at what cost

you haven't answered in regards to the wording of 'free for all'

250,000 houses built a year is criminally low. But that isn't enough to cover the demand without immigration. Add into it that not all of those houses are applicable to all of the population due to being priced out.

The infrastructure could handle it, if it had the resources backing it. It doesn't currently so it's not handling it. And right now they aren't even processing asylum claims because they focused all of their efforts on their stupid Rwanda scheme costing us £370m then another £100m once 300 people relocated there is reached. Imagine what that £470m could have achieved for our infrastructure?

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:09

Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:03

@Unphased a lot of legal migration are highly skilled people and international students. Many of our universities would have collapsed with international student fees. And the economy benefits from highly skilled people.
And this is what I mean when I say most people have no understanding of the economy.

The lot of the immigrants are not skilled, I don’t know where this notion comes from, many students bring their dependents with them not contributing to the economy,
we can’t just keep letting more and more in, the infrastructure can’t cope, what U.K. population is to much? We are one of the most densely populated countries in Europe already.

Alwaystired94 · 03/07/2024 16:11

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:09

The lot of the immigrants are not skilled, I don’t know where this notion comes from, many students bring their dependents with them not contributing to the economy,
we can’t just keep letting more and more in, the infrastructure can’t cope, what U.K. population is to much? We are one of the most densely populated countries in Europe already.

many students bring their dependents with them not contributing to the economy,

how are they living here and not contributing to the economy? they are paying extremely high fees for our universities. They will be spending in their local economy as well as paying for housing locally.

Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:14

The most densely populated countries in the world are:

  1. China
  2. Monaco
  3. Singapore
  4. Hong Kong
  5. Gibraltar
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Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:14

All we have to do is dig up some golf courses. We give over an inordinate amount of land to golf.

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Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:14

Alwaystired94 · 03/07/2024 16:06

you haven't answered in regards to the wording of 'free for all'

250,000 houses built a year is criminally low. But that isn't enough to cover the demand without immigration. Add into it that not all of those houses are applicable to all of the population due to being priced out.

The infrastructure could handle it, if it had the resources backing it. It doesn't currently so it's not handling it. And right now they aren't even processing asylum claims because they focused all of their efforts on their stupid Rwanda scheme costing us £370m then another £100m once 300 people relocated there is reached. Imagine what that £470m could have achieved for our infrastructure?

People don’t want more houses, the last two projects locally had so much objection it was rejected, how long do you think it takes to build hospitals, schools, etc then actually get staff to work in there, then how many more do we let in to look after these people when they are old, when does it stop?
a U.K. population of 70,80,90, million?

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:15

Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:14

The most densely populated countries in the world are:

  1. China
  2. Monaco
  3. Singapore
  4. Hong Kong
  5. Gibraltar

Europe

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:17

you haven't answered in regards to the wording of 'free for all'
a situation where you can just land on another countries beach and just expected to be looked after,

Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:17

@Unphased Gibraltar is in Europe. But even if we only look at Europe, the UK is teh 8th most densely populated. Turkey, Netherlands and Belgium are more densely populated.

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Alwaystired94 · 03/07/2024 16:18

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:14

People don’t want more houses, the last two projects locally had so much objection it was rejected, how long do you think it takes to build hospitals, schools, etc then actually get staff to work in there, then how many more do we let in to look after these people when they are old, when does it stop?
a U.K. population of 70,80,90, million?

i assure you many do want more housing. Maybe people that already own a home aren't the best judge for demand for new housing?

When does it stop? what is your solution? who do we allow in? what do we do with our current population?

GingerPirate · 03/07/2024 16:19

Fantastic, isn't it?
And one of my surviving abusive parents still cannot take the hint and disappear, so that I can return to my country of origin without a minute of my time being claimed by them.

easytip · 03/07/2024 16:20

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Alwaystired94 · 03/07/2024 16:20

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:17

you haven't answered in regards to the wording of 'free for all'
a situation where you can just land on another countries beach and just expected to be looked after,

so you are speaking of asylum seekers?
right now they are being 'looked after' because they aren't being processed! if they were, if approved for asylum they would be able to work. Instead because they aren't being processed they aren't able to contribute.

Looked after? With how our country treats them as a group i'd hardly call it a bloody luxury.

Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:21

@Unphased your arguments are economically illiterate. You are showing zero understanding of how to build a strong economy.
That is why Britain is in the state it is. Conservative politicians have listened to people who have no understanding and pandered to their ignorance.
We need to build a proper skilled manufacturing sector to boost our productivity. We need to move into new technology. Our car industry will be dead within 5 years the way it is currently operating.
We need to have proper infrastructure to support business. Without that business will always struggle to succeed. We need to have lower energy prices.
All of this is basic and they are basic things the current government have done nothing about.

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Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:28

Alwaystired94 · 03/07/2024 16:18

i assure you many do want more housing. Maybe people that already own a home aren't the best judge for demand for new housing?

When does it stop? what is your solution? who do we allow in? what do we do with our current population?

We could start by have a better and more balanced control on immigration, get the infrastructure right first, so we are not overwhelming it, make it nearly impossible for ordinary people to get houses, appointments for doctors etc, stop wasting over 8-10 million a day on illegal immigrants, set up better processing centres abroad, stop the boats landing, let it be known that anyone that arrives illegally will not be granted asylum

DefyingGravitas · 03/07/2024 16:29

Unphased · 03/07/2024 13:30

and will this change under a Labour government, time will tell, how much time?

Well it’s worth a fucking try isn’t it? Like being in an abusive relationship and saying ‘ah but will the next one be any better?’

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:32

Melisha · 03/07/2024 16:21

@Unphased your arguments are economically illiterate. You are showing zero understanding of how to build a strong economy.
That is why Britain is in the state it is. Conservative politicians have listened to people who have no understanding and pandered to their ignorance.
We need to build a proper skilled manufacturing sector to boost our productivity. We need to move into new technology. Our car industry will be dead within 5 years the way it is currently operating.
We need to have proper infrastructure to support business. Without that business will always struggle to succeed. We need to have lower energy prices.
All of this is basic and they are basic things the current government have done nothing about.

And letting in 600,000 a year achieves that how, how does that affect energy prices, we did have a proper manufacturing sector, but it was cheaper to manufacture abroad, we couldn’t compete with vastly lower wages abroad, China etc, we were the best at Ship building once, steelworks and mining shut down,

Unphased · 03/07/2024 16:34

DefyingGravitas · 03/07/2024 16:29

Well it’s worth a fucking try isn’t it? Like being in an abusive relationship and saying ‘ah but will the next one be any better?’

But isn’t that what everyone is saying, we are voting Labour because they are not Tory’s, you could leave one abusive relationship for another.

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