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Appropriate ID for long summer- help!

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Babachew · 18/06/2024 07:53

One of ds's friends is not 18 until end of August and needs appropriate ID for summer.
He's already been scammed twice, and feels like giving up.
His parents live overseas and don't really understand the issue e.g where they live no one ever asks for ID! I really need any advice or genuine pointers.

OP posts:
RampantIvy · 20/06/2024 08:05

DD has a summer birthday and there were things she missed out on after A levels but c'est la vie. She wasn't part of the party crowd though.

PantsAcademy · 20/06/2024 08:06

"Here you go darling, a fake ID so you can drink underage"
"Cool, thanks mum, where did you get it?"
"Mumsnet"

😂😂

WhatANiceNewWord · 20/06/2024 08:27

You don't need ID to experience Summer in this country; it just happens. Hope that helps.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/06/2024 08:54

PantsAcademy · 20/06/2024 08:06

"Here you go darling, a fake ID so you can drink underage"
"Cool, thanks mum, where did you get it?"
"Mumsnet"

😂😂

In this case, it's 'here you go, DS's pal'.
Whether his own mum and dad would be totally cool with this if they understood it's illegal here is unclear.

footgoldcycle · 20/06/2024 10:43

Babachew · 19/06/2024 22:53

It's a question re appropriateness & being appropriate

I don't understand why you are saying "appropriate"

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/06/2024 10:48

footgoldcycle · 20/06/2024 10:43

I don't understand why you are saying "appropriate"

Because saying "illegal" would probably get her banned.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/06/2024 10:56

I remember buying a fake ID online over 20 years ago. It didn't work. Even back then pubs and clubs would only accept a driving licence or passport and so your only hope was finding a pub with no bouncer on the door and lurking in a quiet corner while people who were over 18 bought the drinks.

I later worked in pubs and bars and had it repeatedly drummed into me that if I served someone who turned out to be underage the establishment could lose its licence and I could be fined £1000.

It was eye opening the number of adults who blatantly tried to buy alcohol for their children. We had to be hyper vigilant. There was the time I served four pints to three middle aged men and then 15 minutes later saw them drinking with a lad who didn't look older than 12. Then there was the time a man at the bar asked his daughter what she wanted and she whispered in his ear and he said, "A Smirnoff Ice please", so I asked if she had any ID and he said, "The Smirnoff Ice is for my wife, my daughter wants a coke", and then I had to send my manager over to take the Smirnoff Ice off the teenage girl two minutes later. It was really tiresome.

Yes the rules are strict. Too strict, in my opinion. They are part of the reason for a binge drinking culture among young people who go from not even being allowed into a pub on a Saturday night to have a lemonade one day, and being full legal adults the next day. This is why some 18 year olds end up getting their stomachs pumped in Freshers Week.

But for the staff working in these places, most of whom are on minimum wage, it really isn't worth the risk and you are putting them at risk of losing their jobs and having to pay large fines if you try and trick them into serving your children alcohol. Just stop it. The child will be 18 soon enough.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/06/2024 17:10

I don't understand why you are saying "appropriate"

I think it's like 'literal' being used to mean 'figurative'.Hmm

But for the staff working in these places, most of whom are on minimum wage, it really isn't worth the risk and you are putting them at risk of losing their jobs and having to pay large fines if you try and trick them into serving your children alcohol. Just stop it. The child will be 18 soon enough.

Yes, and of the factors which lead to our village shop losing its alcohol license which made it unviable was them being caught selling alcohol to underage youngsters.

GoldViper · 20/06/2024 17:16

Babachew · 19/06/2024 22:53

It's a question re appropriateness & being appropriate

Yeah you keep using that word but I'm not sure you know what it means 🤔

Babachew · 20/06/2024 17:25

I'm actually concerned about your intelligence, or maybe I shouldn't be, as I just remembered that 50% of the population has anIQ in double digits.

Appropriate = Suitable for a particular situation

E.G appropriate footwear

OP posts:
TwigTheWonderKid · 20/06/2024 17:27

Surely a fake ID is never appropriate?

DataPup · 20/06/2024 17:30

BumBumCream · 18/06/2024 19:21

I was just saying to my DD (who has just finished her GCSEs) that at the end of our GCSEs we went clubbing in central Manchester. Not a single bit of ID amongst us, real or fake! Times have changed…

We went to the pub in our school uniforms at the end of GCSEs 😮😮

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/06/2024 17:41

Babachew · 20/06/2024 17:25

I'm actually concerned about your intelligence, or maybe I shouldn't be, as I just remembered that 50% of the population has anIQ in double digits.

Appropriate = Suitable for a particular situation

E.G appropriate footwear

The particular situation being facilitating the commission of a criminal offence?

ErrolTheDragon · 20/06/2024 17:59

So, appropriate ID for a 17 yo for any legal purpose is a provisional driving license, passport etc.

Obtaining a fake ID to allow someone else's 17 yo is inappropriate.
There's no appropriate way of doing something inappropriate.

Shinyandnew1 · 20/06/2024 18:05

Babachew · 20/06/2024 17:25

I'm actually concerned about your intelligence, or maybe I shouldn't be, as I just remembered that 50% of the population has anIQ in double digits.

Appropriate = Suitable for a particular situation

E.G appropriate footwear

Appropriate footwear would be wearing wellies because it’s raining, or trainers because you need to run, or flat shoes because pointy heels would cause damage to the floor, or shoes with closed toes so your foot doesn’t get hurt.

There are reasons for why those types of footwear would be appropriate in certain situation.

What is ‘appropriate’ ID? What would inappropriate ID be? What are the reasons you are considering here?

RampantIvy · 20/06/2024 18:55

IMO the OP thinks she is being clever but is failing spectacularly.

MagentaRocks · 20/06/2024 19:05

Babachew · 20/06/2024 17:25

I'm actually concerned about your intelligence, or maybe I shouldn't be, as I just remembered that 50% of the population has anIQ in double digits.

Appropriate = Suitable for a particular situation

E.G appropriate footwear

Absolutely no need for that. You are the one being cryptic and trying to be clever

Tosstyhat · 20/06/2024 19:15

ErrolTheDragon · 20/06/2024 17:59

So, appropriate ID for a 17 yo for any legal purpose is a provisional driving license, passport etc.

Obtaining a fake ID to allow someone else's 17 yo is inappropriate.
There's no appropriate way of doing something inappropriate.

This!

Babachew · 20/06/2024 19:25

Oh my, do you lot sit behind your ipads poised?

Simple question. I have self-sourced my answer. Parents' approval ✅

And for all you know the long summer could be being spent in Germany where the legal age for drinking is 16, and DS's friend just looks young.

OP posts:
Youdontevengohere · 20/06/2024 19:32

Babachew · 20/06/2024 19:25

Oh my, do you lot sit behind your ipads poised?

Simple question. I have self-sourced my answer. Parents' approval ✅

And for all you know the long summer could be being spent in Germany where the legal age for drinking is 16, and DS's friend just looks young.

Is it being spent in Germany?

wutheringkites · 20/06/2024 19:34

Babachew · 20/06/2024 19:25

Oh my, do you lot sit behind your ipads poised?

Simple question. I have self-sourced my answer. Parents' approval ✅

And for all you know the long summer could be being spent in Germany where the legal age for drinking is 16, and DS's friend just looks young.

In that case he would have a passport with him.

DogInATent · 20/06/2024 19:35

Babachew · 20/06/2024 19:25

Oh my, do you lot sit behind your ipads poised?

Simple question. I have self-sourced my answer. Parents' approval ✅

And for all you know the long summer could be being spent in Germany where the legal age for drinking is 16, and DS's friend just looks young.

In which case either a passport or ID card would be compulsory, and your question would be moot.

RampantIvy · 20/06/2024 19:35

I don't have an iPad. As the parent of a summer born I understand where you are coming from.

However, your replies are trying to be too clever, and your attitude is a little questionable.

Babachew · 20/06/2024 19:36

And who wants to take their passport on a day out?

OP posts:
RampantIvy · 20/06/2024 19:44

Babachew · 20/06/2024 19:36

And who wants to take their passport on a day out?

DD's epileptic friend had to because she couldn't apply for a provisional driving licence. Most places will only accept a passport or driving licence as ID.