Inconsiderate neighbours is it me?

[Helpme17]

So single bedroom flats I’ve lived here almost a year nice area finally settling listed are things my new neighbours have done within two weeks of living in this property. Not once knocked door etc. nothing is guessed listed is what I have heard and seen myself.

-1st day council lady gives him keys and says council will be back to turn electrics on this was a Friday- they tripped the electrics great for them not my buisness but very loud breaking into metre cupboards. 6am this went on till.

-day 2 full on party children adults in out smoke drink. Kind of tracksuit trainers party loud chat in out all night

-day 3 Sunday music full vol from 8am

-all week music drilling 4 5 6 people in out

-1st weekend violence trashed place screaming police attended he refused to open door for over a hour more and more police came someone was bleeding and said they needed to do welfare he was telling police to go away (swearing) etc didn’t have to go with police because his mental health. Party carried on once police left

-2nd week each day big huge fire under my windows to discard god knows

-music daily full volume base from Ibiza dance to reagge from 8-9am EVERYDAY. Bank holiday 6am

now im no Karen but surly you can’t be that inconsiderate? I work and pay my rent and don’t think I should be woken daily? Ino some people have no manners I have no intentions to knock on, but I would like to move/be no where near them this is 2 weeks in it’s Gona get worst sat 9am💔

You’re not complaining to get yourself moved, you’re complaining to get him/them removed. You don’t have to fight with them about your own place, just log noise and anti social behaviour with them. The council need to have a log of behaviour in order to approach him about solutions or get rid of him. If he’s been moved from a previous council house due to anti social behaviour that will work with you too.

I know people called Karen myself and stan and Felicia- I didn’t make up the terms

Op are you living on your own? Is there any way at all you can get out of council housing? Sharing with a friend or family? They’re not thinking of their neighbours, they’re just nuts in general!! It’s so unfair you’ve had two such horrible circumstances, it’s not you being fussy at all

People get really hung up on the word Karen. Karens exist and I don’t like them. Passive aggressive time-server bossy and patronising types, a small minority, but they DO exist IMO.

The OP sounds a million miles from that. You are single and live on your own, presumably. It always feels a bit harder, I think to deal with antisocial neighbours when you’re on your own. People underestimate how it can affect you having awful or even simply unfriendly neighbours. If you don’t get any joy with complaints (and I would consider taking legal action against the landlords since you have the right to quiet enjoyment of your property, check your lease), I would consider moving again. Even private accommodation. I know there’s no security, but at least you can move when there are problems, especially if you are single and don’t have to drag around dependents. I would go hammer and tong at the council to get this resolved, and your backup plan to move again.

These selfish morons, how did they get away with it 😡

I don’t think you could ever understand how heartwarming it feels that you not only sympathise with my situation but such kind words! Yes im alone no parents all friends have children etc 💔

So emotional that you understand my feelings. I’m just really not looking forward to going home at moment an yeah like I said I do not want or need perfect neighbours but I feel uncomfortable 🤯 like one night I was planning my coughs as I didn’t want them to know I was in and not wanting to flush the loo so they don’t think I’m in, ino it’s silly and hopefully it will get better

thanks again

Yeah must have as police showed up. Literally 10 mins into the noise. There wall joins another flat too.

im really shocked

I am sorry to hear about your living conditions @Helpme17 - the new neighbours sound to be a nightmare.

I wish you wouldn't use 'Karen' as a term of abuse though.

It is a cheap shot at women of a certain age and background (suggesting they are all naturally mean/snobbish/disapproving/racist because of their age and colour and class) that has been taken up by (American) social media.

It isn't great for women who are called Karen - nor for most women really!

(If we chose a -1960s- male name for this - would it work? Or is it just another way of hitting older women back down? They have always had this: 'hags' 'crones' 'evil step-mother'. Are there male versions of these? I've know some officious - mean-snobbish- racist older men but they don't get talked about like this. )

Please feel free to criticise the mean/snobbish/disapproving/racist people you meet but just use a name that fits them better.

Start keeping a diary of events, record loud noise 24/7. Report violence to the police video the fires etc etc. Collect a dossier of evidence and call out environmental health or the council for the loud music so they can come and record it. Report kids at Parties until late to social services every time you hear them. There are out of hours ss 24/7. Complain to your housing association straight away and tell them you do not want to be named. It's flats so they never need to know any of this is you. Keep complaining if they don't throw him out go to the housing ombudsman and your MP. Make alot of noise, to anyone who will listen. It will either stop of they will be removed.

I feel for you OP, your neighbours are shit and inconsiderate.
Well done for keeping the list.
Report everything.
Explain the impact it's having on you with them living downstairs.
They could be on a 'starter' tenancy where any ASB could impact them staying there longer term, so absolutely worth sharing with the council - try & speak to someone face to face.
You have also mentioned incidents where someone could have been at risk of harm, a lot of shouting etc when the police were called so worth making the council aware of that as police will have it logged. But my concern is you stated there are sometimes children there? Could they be at risk, were they there when the police came the other day? You should definitely report that to the council/the police as well. They then have a duty to flag any concerns with children's services.

Exactly this.

Using another woman's name in this way is very poor form.

In my old place I had stains on my ceeling. It was dog urine I’m attatching photo if it lets me this was my cuboard beside my bedroom. Two dogs was being left unattended 24-7 could actually hear them urinating up stairs. Between me and x4 neighbours we had sound equipment as barking and mating 24/7 but was told they wouldn’t be continuing the matter. It was only when I sent the pictures of the urine dripping into my house they stepped in. I was told they wouldn’t be completing the work untill the dogs was rehoused and she had 2months to rehome this was 2016 ombudsman failed me on the grounds that the council eventually repaired the damage and closed the case not taking into consideration how I was living. The lady knew I had complained and made my life hell. I.e police at my door 4am because I’ve been banging her door. Luckily the police could see I was asleep and understood the situation . This was upstairs and next door 28 stray cats in a one bedroom. I only got moved after my surgery aug last year. Was kind of trying to recover live breathe but I completely agree thought I would try and explain why I wasn’t sure if I was just being uptight based on my recent living conditions! Thanks again 💕 - bet that’s so crazy to read I genuinely wish I was joking lol 🤯🤯

Hey. Just posted on the above comment the reason why I moved and the reason why I wasn’t sure if I was being uptight. I’ve waited for this move from around 2017….

wouldn’t go as far as thinking or knowing the kids are sleeping there? But I have define seen them…

I can’t click on the main post but do you have the same energy with the name Karen as you do with Felicia and stan? I genuinely don’t believe anyone who has used that name is being personal to anyone named Karen. Just think when used ppl kinda know what it’s referring to…

really shocked by the response of the name… especially the context I used it in

racist is racist in my opinion I’ve never heard anyone use Karen for a racist?

my comment was basically I’m pretty reasonable. I thought ??! If you look on say Facebook TikTok it’s ususlly lady’s telling guts not to skate in certain places tagged as Karen… did not mean anything between the lines by it!!! Was just a light comment

On a lighter note I googled it and can confirm I am correct and definitely not a ##### 💕

Read the posts explaining why the use of the name Karen is inappropriate, Op.

sues the local city council after they installed a new STOP sign that hides the sun from her window for two minutes a day.

I got that from Google. That’s kinda the lines I meant…. I just meant I don’t enjoy complaining/asking to speak with the manager…. Really not with the times but point taken!!!

Thank you

I must explain before it’s taken out of context my point is

someone discriminating someone about there colour or using certain words is racist and technically we would say - that’s racist. not your being a …. But folks I do get it !

learn something new everyday!

I thought ppl would be more calling me uptight and maybe judgemental. Wasn’t expecting the this 🤯

@Helpme17 I get what you meant when you used 'Karen' about yourself in that way and you are right that people do use it like that online.

I just wish they wouldn't!

It is name-calling that has history. (The history does include it being used as accusation of racisim . )

Choosing a woman's name as an insult (for mean things both men and women might do) isn't random. Choosing an older woman's name as an insult isn't random either.

I'm hoping it will go the way of the mother-in-law (usually older women again) jokes and fade away.

Sorry you’ve had such a rough time with housing. The urine dripping in is a proper horror story :/

Unpopular opinion but I don’t think people who live in flats should have dogs unless maybe the ground floor tenants, but even then where people have to share communal space it can be anti-social to have dogs.

Anyway about your current neighbour just keep continue to keep a record of it and report things to police anonymously. I live in HA flat and I don’t hear a peeps out of my neighbours. The one across me sometimes comes over to give me something she’s baked which is lovely but aside from that I don’t see or hear them and that’s the way it should be. Having to tolerate unhappy living situations like this can gradually impact your physical health and contribute to chronic stress . Don’t be afraid to speak up to the council !

If I’m honest I’ve still not recovered from last place mentally, really didn’t think I would again be planning coughing/uncomfortable. One night the dog urine neighbour I have no idea what she had said to police but they came in my house searching. She had told them that a guy from my house had gone upstairs stolen her iPad and was hiding in my property. I had to get up receipts to prove my iPad was my iPad. Letter from the council stating I had a noise complaint whilst I was on holiday - was able to prove again. Cat food on my windows for the stray cats (once I explained I’m allergic) stamping banging and comments dog lady was around 50-60 cat lady was around 60🤯could go on but I Explained to the council it’s obvious since her dogs have had to be removed im now target… I was going work etc worried my clothes and hair smelt like the urine I was breathing in…. Very challenging times…. The aspect of the complaints ladder really stressing me at thought

thanks again

Not sure if you can smell pictures but. Picture of the items in the cupboard. Understand this is actual dog urine and stale dripping through a hole in upstairs dog cupboard.

ii didn’t want to get anyone in trouble but that really threw me over the edge.

I wouldn't worry about it, you could have just said you were uptight and that probably would have been "wrong speak" to some people. My best friend is called Karen and she isn't offended by it, she laughs and rolls her eyes when she hears the term and goes about her day. I can't believe you were jumped on for it. but we are on MN so ...I hope you get your problem sorted out OP, sounds horrendous.