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Girls school uniform - skirt length, make up etc

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Emmaheather · 12/06/2024 11:30

Interested to hear people's views on this. I don't have any direct experience as a mother of boys who are at a school with a very relaxed attitude to school uniform. I don't understand why it's viewed as so important by some and why schools would send children home rather than let them attend school in a short skirt/make up. I worry about the messages being given by these attitudes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gg178850xo

Girls in school uniform walking down a corridor

Caldicot: Female pupils sent home in short skirt crackdown

Female pupils also reported being given wet wipes to remove make up and clippers to cut their nails.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gg178850xo

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Needmorelego · 12/06/2024 11:34

I often wonder if schools just ignored anyone who turns up with a skirt the length of a belt and a face full of makeup and just carried on teaching would the world fall apart or would the student get - I don't know - an education and eventually get bored of dressing like that.

Emmaheather · 12/06/2024 12:02

In my kids school, they generally seem to ignore it. Some wear tiny skirts all the time, some wear quite a bit of makeup. The only difference not punishing children for it is that there is less acrimony between staff and students. If I was a teacher I really couldn't be bothered hauling kids over the coals over their school uniform.

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TheHorneSection · 12/06/2024 12:06

DD attends an all girls school where they have recently decided to relax their expectations a bit. I think they are cracking down again on skirt length as some girls were being frankly ridiculous, but in general they can wear make up and dye their hair natural colours and the teachers aren’t too bothered. I know some
parents dont like this but personally I think it’s fine. They’re generally smart and tidy and the school does very well academically so I feel make up isn’t a battle worth fighting hard.

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LakeTiticaca · 12/06/2024 12:10

Why is so hard these days just to follow simple rules?
Wait until these kids join the workforce. They might have a big shock coming !!

mimblewimble · 12/06/2024 12:15

In general I think schools need to chill out about uniform. It all feels very controlling and pointless - not being allowed to remove blazers unless teacher gives permission, having to take off your winter hat as soon as you are on school grounds, even if it's snowing! I'm not fussed about make-up, piercings, dyed hair, colour of stitching on shoes etc. Knee length skirts has always been an unreasonable expectation for teen girls.

However I'm not sure what the answer is to extremely short skirts with no tights/shorts under - I don't think actual arse cheeks on show (no exaggeration) is really appropriate for school.

Needmorelego · 12/06/2024 12:16

@LakeTiticaca this is thing. If you look at adult workers ones that involve uniforms most women wear trousers.
Ones that you wear what you want most women seem to wear trousers or long dresses/skirts.
Why don't grown women wear teeny tiny skirts? Because they've realised it's an unflattering look.
Let teenage girls get this out their system. They'll get bored and grow out of it.

mondaytosunday · 12/06/2024 12:17

Minimal makeup (certainly not false eyelashes!), no 'non-natural' hair colour, only stud earrings, long hair to be put in pony tail for games, skirt to knee.
Boys: hair no longer than shirt collar, no etched in symbols in hair, white shirt.
The idea is you are representing the school. You look smart. Otherwise what's the point if uniforms?
Haven't there been studies that children perform better wearing a uniform? It also takes away any competitiveness with clothing.
Hardly arduous requirements.

NotLactoseFree · 12/06/2024 12:18

I have very complex, mixed feelings on this issue. I do believe that at school children should be dressed "appropriately". Of course, the problem, is what do we define as "appropriate" and I'm fully aware that what I consider appropriate is NOT what someone else would consider appropriate.

In my perfect world, skirts as school uniform would be completely removed. I know that 90% of the world disagrees with me on this and I understand that, but my thinking is that the only issue with short skirts is that they are less practical - already at primary school DD tells me that she doesn't always like sitting on the floor (considered a perfectly normal thing) because her knickers show. I have spoken to other parents who tell me that their girls don't like running around at playtime as if they accidentally show their knickers, they get teased. But societal expectations, even at this age, mean that even at our primary school where girls can wear shorts/trousers... almost none do. I have begged and pleaded with DD... to no success.

This problem is x100 at high school with short skirts. I don't care about short skirts. I DO care about children at school wearing clothes that in any way restrict them from doing anything and everything they want to do.

Hence my "cancel skirts/dresses" for school uniform mantra.

Overall, re make up etc, I remain uncertain. I personally hate heavy complex mae up on young girls but this is the world we live in. I don't want make up that again, becomes a distraction at school - eg meltdowns because they've lost an eye lash or teasing or more time spent redoing make up than learning. But I don't really see how a bit of make up, or an ear ring on a boy, or whatever is really a problem.

PuttingDownRoots · 12/06/2024 12:21

The shortening of skirts is an age old problem... we did it in he 80s/00s
My mother did it on the 60s/70s

The school had a genius way of getting around it... our skirts had a slit up the back. There was a limit to how short we wanted to make them then! (They were designed to sit two inches above knee, no one went three or four inches)

NotLactoseFree · 12/06/2024 12:22

mondaytosunday · 12/06/2024 12:17

Minimal makeup (certainly not false eyelashes!), no 'non-natural' hair colour, only stud earrings, long hair to be put in pony tail for games, skirt to knee.
Boys: hair no longer than shirt collar, no etched in symbols in hair, white shirt.
The idea is you are representing the school. You look smart. Otherwise what's the point if uniforms?
Haven't there been studies that children perform better wearing a uniform? It also takes away any competitiveness with clothing.
Hardly arduous requirements.

This is so old fashioned.

Why can't boys look smart with longer hair? I don't see the problem with boys having longer hair, but do get frustrated when the boys' hair is left to hang loose while girls all have to have it tied back.

Skirt to knee? I've just typed up a whole essay on why I think skirts should be banned. But oif you are going to wear them, there's a HUGE variation between skirt to knee vs barely-covering-their-ass. I am 48. I haven't worn a knee length skirt in 30 years. Either mid thigh, or mid calf.

"non natural" hair colour. What does this even mean? I bet you mean streaks of purple. But 1. why? what's wrong with purple? But even if you want to do that, what about highlights on dark hair? Is that still aproblem? Who cares what colour their hair is as long as it's not in theiir face or getting in the way?!

ear rings - I tend to agree that simple stud or small hoops better. But purely from a practical perspective - big dangly ear rings are not sensible in a school environment.

Precipice · 12/06/2024 12:24

LakeTiticaca · 12/06/2024 12:10

Why is so hard these days just to follow simple rules?
Wait until these kids join the workforce. They might have a big shock coming !!

I've never had a job that forced me to wear a uniform. Most jobs don't. Some have a dress code of a certain formality, which is not at all the same thing. Then you can choose your particular style of wear, the fabric and colour etc. You don't have to walk around in poorly made polyester.

An adult can choose to leave a job for another one with a different dress code. They have also chosen to go for a particular job type knowing it has particular expectations. There is no equivalent in schools.

Needmorelego · 12/06/2024 12:27

@mondaytosunday representing the school to who? The public? Why do they need to know what school some random teen walking down the street goes to.
Unless it's an event like an inter-school maths competition where you do need matching outfits to show which school team you are on.
But you can do that with polo shirts.

mimblewimble · 12/06/2024 12:28

I feel for kids because they have to go to school, and they generally don't get much choice about where.

Most jobs don't have anywhere near as strict a dress code as schools do. And there are plenty of workplaces with no dress code. I think most workplaces allowed dyed hair etc.

Also schools use 'preparing for the working world' as a reason for uniform, but what about college/uni...? They don't have any uniform!

TM1979 · 12/06/2024 12:31

DD15’s school is so strict. I went there myself and it wasn’t as bad. Different principal though.
Their principal now is at the gates morning and afternoon checking skirt length. No make up allowed. They will be handed wipes and sent to the bathroom to remove it. Only stud earrings. No false lashes/nails. No dyed hair. Nose piercings are an absolute no-no. Even tiny ones.
Recently on a school tour they were told they could wear their PE gear. It was to a theme park. Some of them wore in leggings. They got in so much trouble! Leggings are the work of the devil apparently!

TM1979 · 12/06/2024 12:32

PuttingDownRoots · 12/06/2024 12:21

The shortening of skirts is an age old problem... we did it in he 80s/00s
My mother did it on the 60s/70s

The school had a genius way of getting around it... our skirts had a slit up the back. There was a limit to how short we wanted to make them then! (They were designed to sit two inches above knee, no one went three or four inches)

So that’s what the slit was for!

LakeTiticaca · 12/06/2024 12:37

I don't agree with some of today's gestapo like rules, not being allowed to remove blazers in sweltering heat, that's ridiculous was never a problem in previous years. Back in the 70s me and my mates used to roll our school skirts over to make them shorter but nothing like they are today. Do these girls have no self respect? We don't all want to see 14 year old girls buttocks hanging out of their blazers.
Rules bind us together as a society and we are seeing more and more in the news now, many have not ever been taught any rules, or think that the rules don't apply to them.
I bet those 2 12 year old machete murderers are now wishing their parents/carers had put some rules in place!!

crosspatchdownthehatch · 12/06/2024 12:40

It's quite interesting that the UK's top performing girls's school doesn't seem to have a uniform! Or is that just sixth form? Are there any St Paul's Girls School parents who can confirm?

However I am in NI where uniform is especially formal and strict right across the spectrum so who knows what the right answer is.

Isthatarealname · 12/06/2024 12:46

I think when I was at school a good 10 mins a week was wasted with the whole class listening to a teacher dealing with 1 or 2 girls who had too much make up/skirt too short. What an absolute waste of time.

longdistanceclaraclara · 12/06/2024 12:55

I have 13yo twins, their skirts are rolled ridiculously short, it's not one I'm prepared to make a battle out of though. If they want to get a detention. They all wear nike pros under the skirts anyways. They also do this thing of making what I call a rabbit tail by pulling the jumpers in round the back with hair elastics for 'the fit'. Looks daft and bloody uncomfortable but if they want to risk detention so be it.

I would hazard a guess that less than 5% of the girls wear the trousers. They are ugly and unflattering, I don't blame them.

They are allowed stud earings, one set only and supposedly no make up but they do wear mascara / foundation. The only the thing the school really seems to crack down on is chewing gum.

All girls school if that makes a difference.

LemonCitron · 12/06/2024 12:57

My DD rolls up her skirt so it is super short. This is theoretically against the rules but she never gets a behaviour point. It's not harming anyone!

fashionqueen0123 · 12/06/2024 12:59

TM1979 · 12/06/2024 12:31

DD15’s school is so strict. I went there myself and it wasn’t as bad. Different principal though.
Their principal now is at the gates morning and afternoon checking skirt length. No make up allowed. They will be handed wipes and sent to the bathroom to remove it. Only stud earrings. No false lashes/nails. No dyed hair. Nose piercings are an absolute no-no. Even tiny ones.
Recently on a school tour they were told they could wear their PE gear. It was to a theme park. Some of them wore in leggings. They got in so much trouble! Leggings are the work of the devil apparently!

What did they expect them to wear instead of leggings if it was pe kit? Joggers? Not good if it was a warm day.
Honestly giving face wipes out? That’s ridiculous.

Needmorelego · 12/06/2024 13:00

@longdistanceclaraclara that rabbit tail thing sounds hilarious.
I see a lot of girls who wear their jumpers tucked into their skirts. I always think "don't their tummies get all sweaty?" 😂

Tarantella6 · 12/06/2024 13:01

@NotLactoseFree my two both wear cycling shorts under their school skirt / summer dress, would that solve the problem for your DD?

I agree with a pp, let teenagers wear tiny skirts while they have the figure for it. I'd love to look that good in a mini skirt.

JustFrustrated · 12/06/2024 13:02

LakeTiticaca · 12/06/2024 12:37

I don't agree with some of today's gestapo like rules, not being allowed to remove blazers in sweltering heat, that's ridiculous was never a problem in previous years. Back in the 70s me and my mates used to roll our school skirts over to make them shorter but nothing like they are today. Do these girls have no self respect? We don't all want to see 14 year old girls buttocks hanging out of their blazers.
Rules bind us together as a society and we are seeing more and more in the news now, many have not ever been taught any rules, or think that the rules don't apply to them.
I bet those 2 12 year old machete murderers are now wishing their parents/carers had put some rules in place!!

That was.... Big leap.

How do you get from relaxed uniform to machete murderers?

drudgewithagrudge · 12/06/2024 13:03

I am still annoyed that I got put in detention for having a ladder in my stocking in 1962.

One of our school rules was, " Girls must conduct themselves in a ladylike manner at all times."