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Would you save your pet or a stranger's child?

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NotADailyMailJournalist · 02/06/2024 22:11

Hello all

Slightly inspired by another thread where posters were surprised that people were more interested in someone's dog than their baby...

If you have a cat/dog and you could only save it or a stranger's child/baby, what would you choose?

For the purposes of this thread, no-one would ever find out you'd been given the choice, so you wouldn't face any consequences.

Thanks

OP posts:
clockdoc · 04/06/2024 11:11

@Comedycook

My point is that those who proclaim they love their pets in the same way others love their children are wrong. They do not. They may love their pet but it is nothing like how a person loves their child. When the inevitable happens and their pet dies, their owners life won't actually be eternally destroyed by that death.

My Nanna had a child who died. Her life wasn't eternally destroyed. That's a huge blanket assumption to be making.

She suffered badly because of it and of course her life was different. She battled depression most of her life but she also went on to have a successful career working with children and maintained a great marriage, travelled the world and experienced loads. A child dying doesn't necessarily mean you are destroyed.

I can't imaging the pain of it happening, but equally I'm not able to tell anyone how they should feel

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:12

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:08

When I lost my child someone who had lost a child years before said that one day I would look back and see the gifts my child had given me. I wanted to clock them one (obviously didn't) but they were right. As much as I wouldn't choose to have lost my child, losing them has added some amazing things I otherwise wouldn't have likely ever had. Not worth it, but they are beautiful and truly gifts from my child.

Nothing worse than being judged for how you grieve. People who say they couldn't survive such a loss are also judgemental. Almost like they are suggesting they love their child more. I always tell them they'd survive because they have to for their other children. Then one day you look back and, in spite of the damage, you release that you are now actually living for yourself again too.

Thank you for your post. :-)

Edited

Sorry I think you misunderstood my post. When I said my life would be destroyed I wasn't implying I wouldn't survive such a loss. Nor was I suggesting how others should grieve. If someone has lost a child, it's not up to me to judge how they cope. My judgement is on those who suggest the loss of a pet is similar. I do not believe it can be.

HearTheirEverywhere · 04/06/2024 11:12

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:08

I'm not going to say how death feels for everyone. But no I don't for a minute believe the death of a pet can be anything like the death of a child. I've seen people in my family lose their children. They carry on with their lives, but they will never be the same again. I genuinely assumed vast majority of people would agree that losing a pet is nothing like losing a child.

Have you had pets yourself? Genuinely not being sarky, I just don’t think you understand the utter grief when a pet dies.
I had to have time off doing my A-levels when my 13 year old dog died, my grandad died not long after and I was honestly more heartbroken over my dog 😬

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:13

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:08

I'm not going to say how death feels for everyone. But no I don't for a minute believe the death of a pet can be anything like the death of a child. I've seen people in my family lose their children. They carry on with their lives, but they will never be the same again. I genuinely assumed vast majority of people would agree that losing a pet is nothing like losing a child.

I can only speak for myself, not everyone else, but losing a pet is now in some ways worse. When I lost my child I was in shock and went through robotically. Now when I lose a pet, it's a million times harder than it would have been if I hadn't lost a child. I've sniffled putting pets to sleep when they got old and sick in the past. I've had to put a cat to sleep since losing a child and had to leave the room because it was triggering everything and I was starting to have a panic attack. I really let my cat down but the PTSD is real. The long term effects are less, but the loss is just as bad in the immediate time. My child trumps one of my pets every time of course, if I had to choose.

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:13

HearTheirEverywhere · 04/06/2024 11:12

Have you had pets yourself? Genuinely not being sarky, I just don’t think you understand the utter grief when a pet dies.
I had to have time off doing my A-levels when my 13 year old dog died, my grandad died not long after and I was honestly more heartbroken over my dog 😬

Yes I've had pets die. It's sad. I cried. I still sometimes think of them. It's absolutely nothing like losing actual family members though.

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:14

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:12

Sorry I think you misunderstood my post. When I said my life would be destroyed I wasn't implying I wouldn't survive such a loss. Nor was I suggesting how others should grieve. If someone has lost a child, it's not up to me to judge how they cope. My judgement is on those who suggest the loss of a pet is similar. I do not believe it can be.

See if you feel the same in the first pet loss you experience following the loss of a child (which is something I hope you never actually experience).

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:16

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:13

Yes I've had pets die. It's sad. I cried. I still sometimes think of them. It's absolutely nothing like losing actual family members though.

I know one person who admits they were more upset about the death of their cat than their sibling.

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:25

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:14

See if you feel the same in the first pet loss you experience following the loss of a child (which is something I hope you never actually experience).

I'm not going to comment on your situation or judge you. It sounds rather a lot more complicated than what I was talking about to be honest... wishing you well x

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:28

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:25

I'm not going to comment on your situation or judge you. It sounds rather a lot more complicated than what I was talking about to be honest... wishing you well x

It's not that complicated. Some people experience pet loss more intensely than others.

judgementfail · 04/06/2024 11:29

The argument here is not the relative importance of human v animal but the very personal relationship one has with the 'thing' that is in danger.
Brains work very differently in times of emergency and instinct will just kick in. So, despite whatever 'moral' belief we have in terms of those 'things' relative importance in society, if you are chemically bonded with one of them it's probably going to be the one you instinctively save. Your brain does all the work for you without your higher cortex having a second to engage.

fieldsofbutterflies · 04/06/2024 11:29

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:08

I'm not going to say how death feels for everyone. But no I don't for a minute believe the death of a pet can be anything like the death of a child. I've seen people in my family lose their children. They carry on with their lives, but they will never be the same again. I genuinely assumed vast majority of people would agree that losing a pet is nothing like losing a child.

Well, you know what they say about making assumptions 🙄

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:39

HearTheirEverywhere · 04/06/2024 11:12

Have you had pets yourself? Genuinely not being sarky, I just don’t think you understand the utter grief when a pet dies.
I had to have time off doing my A-levels when my 13 year old dog died, my grandad died not long after and I was honestly more heartbroken over my dog 😬

Really...I didn't even get a week off school when my mother died.

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:41

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:39

Really...I didn't even get a week off school when my mother died.

For some people that would be helpful as they find the distraction of keeping busy good for them. Others would prefer quiet space. If you did need more time, I'm sorry you didn't get it.

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:42

fieldsofbutterflies · 04/06/2024 11:29

Well, you know what they say about making assumptions 🙄

I still stand by that mine is the majority view

HearTheirEverywhere · 04/06/2024 11:44

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:39

Really...I didn't even get a week off school when my mother died.

Really.. I suppose you’re made of stronger stuff than me 👍🏻

fieldsofbutterflies · 04/06/2024 11:44

The argument here is not the relative importance of human v animal but the very personal relationship one has with the 'thing' that is in danger.

Yes, exactly.

Most people will instinctively save the thing they care about and have a personal connection to. I suspect most people here would save their own parent over a random child even though the child has more years ahead of them, for example.

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:44

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:41

For some people that would be helpful as they find the distraction of keeping busy good for them. Others would prefer quiet space. If you did need more time, I'm sorry you didn't get it.

I think the fact a school child was allowed a week off for the death of a pet and one wasn't allowed that for the death of a parent speaks absolute volumes about UK society

fieldsofbutterflies · 04/06/2024 11:45

@Comedycook even though people who have actually lost children are disagreeing with you?

Do you not think that's quite offensive and arrogant?

InterIgnis · 04/06/2024 11:45

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:42

I still stand by that mine is the majority view

So what if it is though?

We’re perfectly free to have to hold minority opinions. If someone doesn’t like it, or indeed if the majority don’t like it? Oh well.

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:47

fieldsofbutterflies · 04/06/2024 11:45

@Comedycook even though people who have actually lost children are disagreeing with you?

Do you not think that's quite offensive and arrogant?

I've already said that is clearly a more complex situation than I can comment on.

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:48

HearTheirEverywhere · 04/06/2024 11:44

Really.. I suppose you’re made of stronger stuff than me 👍🏻

Or the people around you had more sympathy for you because the UK has this weird obsession with pets

RubyBeaker · 04/06/2024 11:50

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:44

I think the fact a school child was allowed a week off for the death of a pet and one wasn't allowed that for the death of a parent speaks absolute volumes about UK society

Different schools might have different policies. Also comes down to the parents. I told my children's schools how long they would be off. I didn't ask.

HearTheirEverywhere · 04/06/2024 11:50

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:48

Or the people around you had more sympathy for you because the UK has this weird obsession with pets

Possibly, but it can also say something of your caregivers to send a child into school immediately after losing their parent 🤷🏼‍♀️
It also wasn’t a week I stayed off, it was the Thursday and Friday.

fieldsofbutterflies · 04/06/2024 11:51

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:47

I've already said that is clearly a more complex situation than I can comment on.

And yet here you are, commenting and claiming that you’re right 🤷‍♀️

Comedycook · 04/06/2024 11:53

fieldsofbutterflies · 04/06/2024 11:51

And yet here you are, commenting and claiming that you’re right 🤷‍♀️

I'm saying that vast majority of people think losing a child is worse than losing a pet.