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Countries Putting Up “Closed to British Tourists” Signs

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RampantIvy · 01/06/2024 08:00

I keep seeing articles about how certain countries don’t want British tourists.
IMO what they don’t want is a certain type of tourist – the ones who are loud drunks, who disrespect local customs and traditions, who display antisocial behaviour and basically who are an embarrassment to the rest of us and who know how to behave.

One of the countries listed was Greece, where we have just had a lovely holiday. We met nothing but a friendly welcome from all the locals. We didn’t see any antisocial behaviour, but then we don’t holiday in the kind of places where drinking all day and all day English breakfasts is the main attraction.

If these holiday destinations don’t want these kind of visitors perhaps they should make them less attractive to them – put up the price of drinks, don’t offer cheap AI holidays to include as much alcohol as you can drink, increase the minimum age for drinking alcohol, close down a few bars and nightclubs etc.

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RampantIvy · 01/06/2024 13:47

I realise that some posters think I am "victim blaming" the resorts, but in the absence of these unwanted visitors being able to control their behaviour on holiday what is the answer?

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Passiflora2 · 01/06/2024 13:51

SpentAll · 01/06/2024 08:57

Agreed, we live in a place that was visited a fair bit during the semi lockdowns of ppl
not going abroad. And is visited in summer. It’s only tiny. But the mess and rubbish people leave is horrific.

Why is it if a bin is full people put their rubbish by the side of it? Are they really that stupid they don’t realise they should take it elsewhere or home with them?

Society in this country has become very selfish. That’s what 14 years of Tory rule does, IMO. Hoping the tide will start to turn….

That’s right, blame the Tories because self control and decent manners is all about who is in government!

hattie43 · 01/06/2024 13:52

Some British people just don't know how to behave and anyone thinking it's not so is just delusional. Makes me ashamed to think what other countries and cultures think of us .
British people are also responsible for planes having to divert and land mid flight because of their drunkenness and fighting .

Anyone not a grip of themselves should be banned from flying for 10 yrs and airports should not allow drunk people to board

RampantIvy · 01/06/2024 13:53

Anyone not a grip of themselves should be banned from flying for 10 yrs and airports should not allow drunk people to board

Yes to this ^^

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Corinthiana · 01/06/2024 13:56

CeeJay81 · 01/06/2024 08:40

It's also to do with housing. If people are staying in air b&bs, they are taking homes away from the locals. The locals can't find accommodation or have been priced out by foreign tourists. Like in Cornwall, North Wales and other touristy parts of the UK.

They're not "taking homes away from the locals". It's the locals who are setting up air b&bs. They're cashing in.

Corinthiana · 01/06/2024 13:58

RampantIvy · 01/06/2024 13:47

I realise that some posters think I am "victim blaming" the resorts, but in the absence of these unwanted visitors being able to control their behaviour on holiday what is the answer?

You're not victim blaming the resorts. They have made a choice to allow for the licensing of bars, for the development of the sea front etc. Brits just didn't show up one day and do it themselves.

Passiflora2 · 01/06/2024 13:59

I’m just embarrassed all the time by other Brits on holiday. Loud, coarse voices yelling to each other, rude to the locals, no manners . Dressed completely inappropriately, drunk obnoxious and obsessed with football and what’s happening at home. I’m in Greece at the moment and have watched the attitude of locals change over the years I’ve been coming here. Many of them look pained when dealing with us and aren’t anything like as friendly as they used to be. I’m ashamed of being British these days.

LakeTiticaca · 01/06/2024 14:13

Passiflora2 · 01/06/2024 13:51

That’s right, blame the Tories because self control and decent manners is all about who is in government!

Well of course we know everyone would behave like paragons of virtue under a Labour government 🤣🤣

EasternStandard · 01/06/2024 14:13

LakeTiticaca · 01/06/2024 14:13

Well of course we know everyone would behave like paragons of virtue under a Labour government 🤣🤣

Edited

Ha

Passiflora2 · 01/06/2024 14:23

Also I’m picking up rubbish every day to bin on public beaches. It’s heartbreaking. ❤️‍🩹

DullFanFiction · 01/06/2024 14:24

RampantIvy · 01/06/2024 13:47

I realise that some posters think I am "victim blaming" the resorts, but in the absence of these unwanted visitors being able to control their behaviour on holiday what is the answer?

Said visitors actually behaving themselves and not thinking that, because they are in a foreign country, they can do whatever they want with no care about other people around them?

Blaming THOSE PEOPLE for the way they behave. For the fact other Brits aren’t as welcomed as they were.

Why is it that these behaviours are seen as ‘uncontrollable’? They are!

Btw, I’m sure that huge fines, being unable to leave the country until they pay and being refused entry into said country for ASB (length to defined) would do a hell of a lot of good. Like an ASBO but for tourists.

DullFanFiction · 01/06/2024 14:29

hattie43 · 01/06/2024 13:52

Some British people just don't know how to behave and anyone thinking it's not so is just delusional. Makes me ashamed to think what other countries and cultures think of us .
British people are also responsible for planes having to divert and land mid flight because of their drunkenness and fighting .

Anyone not a grip of themselves should be banned from flying for 10 yrs and airports should not allow drunk people to board

And I think maybe we should also a bit closer to home.
You know all the threads going on (on MN) about having a beer at 6.00am being part of fun of being on hols.
Or booking the Lounge to have free drinks before boarding.

Same with trains full of drunk people on a Saturday evening (York being a good case) and people being told they should know and just not take those trains - never mind it’s so bad, the Police is always on them.
Or the stag, hen do, the b’day parties, all drinking at 8.00am, being rowdy but you can’t say anything ‘because they’re just having fun’.

The reality is that it’s all on the same spectrum.
Drinking seen as ‘having fun’. Being noisy/rowdy/disturbing seen as normal.

LakeTiticaca · 01/06/2024 14:48

Lots of unfair stereotyping on this post and insert any other except British and their would be howls of racism. We all know that the majority of British holiday makers don't behave like drunken louts, but we never hear about those people.
Any hoteliers/bar owners/local businesses are well within their rights NOT to take British money, so why do they,?

Luio · 01/06/2024 15:19

@DullFanFiction you are being a bit unrealistic with your victim blaming comments. Businesses have a target market. If a resort area sells cheap AI holidays with nothing to do apart from pubs, nightclubs and beach, they will attract a certain type of tourist who are into partying. Every other type of tourist avoids these areas like the plague.

DullFanFiction · 01/06/2024 15:29

So people who can’t afford to pay more than those cheap hols have to put up with anti social behaviour? Just because.

Or is it that it’s only poor people who exhibit ASB?

cherryade8 · 01/06/2024 15:41

There's a lack of personal standards, discipline and respect. A significant proportion of the population aren't taught these by parents, who make excuses for poor behaviour at school and give teachers grief when they try to impose discipline.

They grow up with an entitlement to cause whatever havoc they like, home or abroad.

deeahgwitch · 01/06/2024 15:59

The locals are objecting because they are being priced out of their homeland because of grabby people upping the cost of rentals and housing.
Those grabby people are often, though not always, other locals, sadly.
When tourism was taking off in their areas the protestor's' grandparents and probably great grandparents were delighted that tourists' money was coming in to their area giving them a better standard of living.
However it is a delicate balance and now in the Balearics, the Canaries and some parts of Spain, greed has overtaken common sense.
If you can't get workers in tourist destinations then the resort will eventually fail.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 01/06/2024 16:24

On your posts OP you say -

but then we don’t holiday in the kind of places where drinking all day and all day English breakfasts is the main attraction.

If they are going to offer cheap AI holidays with all you can drink alcohol it isn't rocket science to work out what kind of holiday maker they are going to get. although, I agree that it isn't their fault that some visitors are badly behaved.
We avoid busy resorts with loads of clubs and bars, so we never come across this kind of behaviour.

//

This sounds a bit to me like tarring those who enjoy AI as boozy louts

GingerPirate · 01/06/2024 16:34

Well, I'm Czech, not British, and thinking to myself they can just ram it, then.

TinyYellow · 01/06/2024 16:37

RampantIvy · 01/06/2024 13:47

I realise that some posters think I am "victim blaming" the resorts, but in the absence of these unwanted visitors being able to control their behaviour on holiday what is the answer?

Banning them is the answer. Welcome everyone else that knows how to behave even at a cheap AI and tell the ones who are causing the problem to stay away.

It’s a perfect solution from their pov, even if it makes you feel offended.

RedToothBrush · 01/06/2024 17:45

DullFanFiction · 01/06/2024 14:24

Said visitors actually behaving themselves and not thinking that, because they are in a foreign country, they can do whatever they want with no care about other people around them?

Blaming THOSE PEOPLE for the way they behave. For the fact other Brits aren’t as welcomed as they were.

Why is it that these behaviours are seen as ‘uncontrollable’? They are!

Btw, I’m sure that huge fines, being unable to leave the country until they pay and being refused entry into said country for ASB (length to defined) would do a hell of a lot of good. Like an ASBO but for tourists.

One effect of Brexit and the incoming EU visa is that is going to be entirely possible in the near future.

Anyone with a criminal conviction may find themselves barred from the EU very soon in the same way they have problems entering the US.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 01/06/2024 17:51

Corinthiana · 01/06/2024 13:56

They're not "taking homes away from the locals". It's the locals who are setting up air b&bs. They're cashing in.

They are taking homes from locals - it’s a property being rented to tourists which otherwise would be rented for 6+ months at a time for someone to make a home in.

The old Airbnb model of people rents out their home in a tourist location for a few weeks when they were on their own holiday or renting out their spare room has pretty much ended in most tourist locations, it’s now properties that are “buy to let”, but instead being a home for someone it’s a succession of different holiday families.

as it’s been made easier for landlords to make money this way, long term rental properties have gone up in price to reflect the higher income available by keeping a flat as a holiday let rather than a home.

RedToothBrush · 01/06/2024 17:56

LakeTiticaca · 01/06/2024 14:48

Lots of unfair stereotyping on this post and insert any other except British and their would be howls of racism. We all know that the majority of British holiday makers don't behave like drunken louts, but we never hear about those people.
Any hoteliers/bar owners/local businesses are well within their rights NOT to take British money, so why do they,?

The worst behaved people I see on holiday are usually British. Not always but usually.

I don't want that to be the case. It's a cultural issue that the British have with attitudes to drinking.

This is born out with levels of alcohol related health issues and sales of alcohol when compared with other European countries.

With that in mind and the level of evidence backing up the observation I would hardly call that racist.

RedToothBrush · 01/06/2024 17:59

deeahgwitch · 01/06/2024 15:59

The locals are objecting because they are being priced out of their homeland because of grabby people upping the cost of rentals and housing.
Those grabby people are often, though not always, other locals, sadly.
When tourism was taking off in their areas the protestor's' grandparents and probably great grandparents were delighted that tourists' money was coming in to their area giving them a better standard of living.
However it is a delicate balance and now in the Balearics, the Canaries and some parts of Spain, greed has overtaken common sense.
If you can't get workers in tourist destinations then the resort will eventually fail.

The tourist industry in Ibiza has become particularly bad, with reports of locals having to live in vans and the tourist industry struggling to recruit staff because of the gap being pay and sky high rents.

With that in mind, it's more surprising it's got to this point without protests sooner.

RampantIvy · 01/06/2024 18:01

DullFanFiction · 01/06/2024 15:29

So people who can’t afford to pay more than those cheap hols have to put up with anti social behaviour? Just because.

Or is it that it’s only poor people who exhibit ASB?

@DullFanFiction I apologise for my clumsily worded post, but I know several people who are moderate drinkers who have had their budget AI holidays ruined by antisocial behaviour from those who think that an AI holiday is an all you can drink holiday.

I do know that people choose an AI holiday because they are on a budget, my DD being one of them, but my post was about the all you can drink hooligans, not people who need to stick to a budget, and I think must have realised that.

Maybe the answer is to limit the amount of alcohol per guest.

I can never understand people who want to sink several pints before an 8 am flight either.

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