Craziest conspiracy theory

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I've just come across Rick Wiles.

According to him the covid jab injected an egg in to your bloodstream. These have now hatched into a synthetic parasites and this is a plan to take over the world.

I love a good conspiracy theory. What is the craziest one you have come across?

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Any conspiracy theory that relies on the world powers being so highly organised that they control all the governments, all the people and all the banks and all the money.

Because lets face it - the majority of the governments couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

Ahh! Maybe ' they ' want us to think this so we don't question it all too much !

I think an awful lot of people can't seem to distinguish between criminal behaviour (i.e. Watergate), corruption (i.e. Cambridge Analytica) and conspiracy. There is plenty of the first two, the third is very rare and would be almost impossible to pull off at any scale for any amount of time.

So what word would you use to describe people colluding and planning together to commit criminal behaviour?

And how can you be so sure that those who will nevertheless happily plan and commit crimes together will starkly draw the line at planning anything else that they may in some way gain from, but which may not technically be classified as 'criminal'?

Thanks for explaining that, I see what you mean.

Then again, with the Post Office scandal, considering how easy it would have been to realise quickly what was happening - even just caring to listen to some of the evidence and raised concerns - but nevertheless being determined to smear so many people's names and ruin their lives, it does rather look like there could have been something more afoot.

Quite what they may have had in mind to achieve with this, I wouldn't know, unless it was maybe racially motivated (as a very high proportion of post offices are run by people from Asian backgrounds). But I really can't think WHAT their reason was for apparently conspiring to do this, with no justification or even perceivable benefit whatsoever.

Because lets face it - the majority of the governments couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

I'm not convinced that this viewpoint does necessarily hold water. Yes, we all see the much stupidity and the many blunders; but in so doing, I think it's possible to miss the fact that most world governments do achieve (or at least have responsibility for) an awful lot of significant change, one way or the other - if they didn't, how would they ever stay in government at all?

Take the NHS as just one example: everybody says how terrible and broken it is - and in a number of areas it really is - but that's going from an expectation of it being 100% perfect. If we examined it objectively and honestly evaluated how much of it does work well or at least adequately, I think we'd have to admit that it's on the whole absolutely amazingly run, for such a colossal, multifaceted, complex organisation. If somebody gave you £100bn and told you to set up an NHS now, would you be able to do it? I know I wouldn't.

@SirAlfredSpatchcock what I read on the PO scandal was it was long term institutional bias.

So sub postmasters are small businesses who contract for PO services compared with Crown POs that are run by direct employees of the PO. Apparently the PO opposed opening up services to sub postmasters feeling it lost them some control as sell as a possible prejudice against small business owners who might contract for PO services as a way of boosting their income from a shop or similar (we are talking decades, even over 100 years ago).

There always was a limited amount of fraud in the system and the Horizon system was brought it to detect and combat fraud. So when the system read outs pointed to wide scale fraud from sub postmasters, the PO were only too ready to accept it was true as it confirmed their existing bias.

That’s what ‘they’ want us to think. We were all getting close to too many truths so they put ‘funny old boris’ in charge to throw us off… they know what they’re doing. 🤫 😂

again my making a cuppa analogy, not everyone needs to know the details and even then they could presume eg fertiliser chemicals were being used but then they dont know if someone else has added anything to the chemicals etc, it seems odd why people always presume everyone knows all the plans in detail.

exactly, in the sense of take x to x and here's ££

but then you build a backup or a couple of plans into the main plan, so even if eg person ,2,3 gets intercepted then you have backup ,2,3 presumably any plan would normally have backups built in. and even if anyone got curious you could have covers in place that would explain the items without giving the actual usages of x

but you dont need lots of people, all is needed is a small group of people that know the full plans, and lots of subcontractors to carry out all the individual parts of the plans.

I recently was shocked by a good friend suggesting the moon landings might be fake. Their idea involved so much complexity and secrecy it was beyond imagining - from all the people in construction of the rockets, to NASA engineers and ground crew and the crowds watching the launches to the astronaut 'actors' being rushed off to a film studio somewhere in the desert. And the important question - why bother?

One I'm not sure about is the death of Gareth Williams the MI6 'body in a bag' case. I think it was a sex game gone wrong - but I could wrong there and other forces could have been at work.....

Well, if you’re referring to the chem trail conspiracy theory, isn’t that about using the engines of commercial jet aircraft to spray us all with woo woo drugs? If so then yes actually, tens of thousands of people around the world would all have to be in on it and keep schtum. Those people are the aircraft engineers and designers that keep the planes flying and make airline safety so safe. They know every single nut and bolt and exactly what it’s for! You’re not going to sneak a chemical delivery system into the engine or plane without those people knowing.

And then there’s the small problem of delivering it from 7 miles up.

If you go into your garden and spray a weed from 6 inches with roundup etc, it dies. If you spray it from 6 feet up, nothing happens. Obviously from 7 miles up it absolutely isnt going to work. It’ll just disperse and become harmless.

Conspiracy =
people conspiring with one another to do something nefarious for their own personal gain, or some other purpose, like political corruption or robbing a bank.

Intelligence (something woefully lacking in many quarters) =
following all the clues and uncovering their dirty deeds (often long after the event). eg: Watergate, Great Train Robbery.

Conspiracy theory =
thinking there is something dodgy going on without any tangible proof, or that something exists or doesn't exist, again with no proof, but they believe it because they don't trust the Government / Big Whoever and someone on the internet let them in on the secret so it must be true. eg: the moon is a projection or that birds aren't real (and if they're not, what have I been eating on Christmas Day all this time?).

Conspiracy theory =
thinking there is something dodgy going on without any tangible proof, or that something exists or doesn't exist, again with no proof, but they believe it because they don't trust the Government / Big Whoever and someone on the internet let them in on the secret so it must be true. eg: the moon is a projection or that birds aren't real (and if they're not, what have I been eating on Christmas Day all this time?).

That's fair enough as one definition; but again, so many potentially plausible things that 'really don't seem right' will start off with no tangible proof. Many successfully-convicted crimes initially begin with just a hunch or suspicion that all may not seem what it should be.

People may well not completely trust the government - to be honest, I'd be surprised if anybody does, including many people who work in government. This can come from a place of paranoia or healthy scepticism - possibly going on historical events/appearances (e.g. the deaths of David Kelly and Robin Cook) - or anywhere in between.

The thing is that, if the government were conspiring to do something big and nefarious, how would the ordinary person ever be able to gather any meaningful evidence to satisfy themselves apart from looking at the available info and personally weighing it all up? If somebody did stumble across some damning incontrovertible evidence that implicated extremely powerful people, do you believe that those high-up people would sigh and accept that they'd been caught and take their serious punishment - when they could very easily discredit the 'fantasist' who discovered it, also warning off anybody else who might get too close, and use their power to protect themselves?

Take the conspiracy theory that Prince Philip killed Princess Diana. I think there were several far-from-unreasonable circumstances that may have led people to wonder - not least the proclamations of Diana herself that 'they' were going to bump her off in a car accident. Now, the official investigation took due course and the finding was that it was basically just a tragic accident. However, just supposing that PP had arranged for the murder of Diana - bearing in mind that any person could decide to commit any crime, however surprising it may be - do you honestly, genuinely believe that this would have ever been admitted to the public?

Also, when it comes to a conspiracy theory equalling 'no tangible or credible evidence', to an extent, one person or organisation can easily deride and denounce whatever the other person presents as possibly circumstantial evidence - so it can become on person's word against the other's.

In a world where Lord Winston can be booed and told he is being 'very controversial' for stating his observation that there are only two human sexes, never assume that any fact, likelihood or even just compelling circumstances will be universally embraced as such.

But with the death of princess Diana, the investigation showed (this is my understanding of it) the driver was borderline drunk. He was also driving a very heavy vehicle and speeding onto a downslope in the tunnel further unweighting the suspension and handling (attempting to escape the paparazzi which were chasing) which made the car even harder to control, and that’s why the car crashed into the extremely poorly designed tunnel pillars that had been there for years.

I don’t think PP could have engineered that scenario. Logic tells me he couldn’t.

It’s like once you start to examine the facts in detail, most conspiracy theories just crumble before your eyes.

Do you not think it possibly a little surprising that, in a major city with a great many competent chauffers/drivers available, a noticeably drunk driver was chosen for the job involving two VIPs, paid for by an extremely rich man who could buy almost anything?

It's explained away that 'it was because he was drunk', but people don't seem to ask why that may be. In stark contrast to Al Fayed, I'm a poor nobody, but even I wouldn't ever knowingly allow my child to be driven by a drunk driver.

Also, as an aside, I'm not suggesting that PP did do it at all; but when it comes to even the most enormous royal plans, look how fastidious they are in their attention to detail and absolutely nothing is left to chance. Even amongst the people who believe that governments cannot organise anything well at all, surely the most ardent republican cannot deny that this is most certainly not the case with events and actions ordered by the royals?

Diana wasn’t really within the Royal Family at that point though, was she.

It’s perfectly conceivable that HP concealed his intoxication or underestimated how drunk he was and no one noticed.

The vehicle she was travelling in was an extremely heavy car and would likely have survived almost any crash you could imagine- apart from the precise crash that happened. I still don’t think it could have logically been engineered to happen in that precise way, unless the driver was paid to crash the car in such a manner.

Often the most boring, unexciting explanation is actually the correct one. This disappoints conspiracy theorists.

See also terrorists actually hijacking planes and flying them into the twin towers (as opposed to cia/mossad doing it instead with thermite or holograms)

Edit to add, I can completely understand that PP and the RF in general would have lots of animosity towards Diana at the point this happened. But the premise that her death was specifically made to happen like this? No.

That there is a secret community who hold a lot of power living under the ice in the Antarctic

This community have a lot of influence

I really didn’t know what to say I just said I had never heard of this, well apparently not many people have 😬

There used to be a group of people who stood alongside a main road near to where I live holding up signs saying 'Covid hoax' and 'Alex Jones was right'. It was ages before I discovered they didn't mean Alex Jones from The One Show.

@Bouledeneige Ha ha! I once worked with a very bright woman in her 20s who, in a conversation about the moon landings and she asked in all seriousness what did we think when we found out they were faked.

When we all gaped at her it turned out she had grown up with her dad telling her the moon landings were faked and she honestly believed that the moon landings were exposed as fake in the 80s and it was a well known, main stream thing.

Thst said, she also was atonished when David Bowie died to find out that he was a singer - she thought he was just actor who had been in Labryinth. 🤔

yep, some people really overestimate the leaders of this country 😂

This is conspiracy theorist 101 though.
The world is run by shadowy elites, governments merely incompetent puppets.

I love the theories around Denver Intl Airport, the giant blue horse (Blucifer) that killed its creator, the weird murals (would love to hear a rational explanation for those!), the building work thats been going on for years building alleged tunnel networks (for whom?).

There are also theories and mystery (maybe) surrounding Antarctica. Apparently a secret base was visited by Hitler and other world leaders.